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Old 02-08-2020, 01:39   #61
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Re: Cruisers seeking humanitarian refuge in NZ

Meanwhile NZ government upset they can't open borders with Australian states..

'But Peters says despite a strong desire from New Zealand to open up to the safer parts of Australia, their central government has thwarted any progress.'

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/trave...on-peters.html

and they have been rebuffed by Samoa who don't want diseased kiwis on their doorstep

'Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sa'ilele Malielegaoi says Samoa was criticised by New Zealand for its early border closure and tough measures, but his country can't trust any flight coming in will be Covid-19 free.
"Once bitten twice shy, we have been hit hard by the measles ( from NZ ) and we did not want to be hit hard a second time."'

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...est-travellers


So much for not wanting to open their borders.....
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Meanwhile NZ government upset they can't open borders with Australian states..

'But Peters says despite a strong desire from New Zealand to open up to the safer parts of Australia, their central government has thwarted any progress.'

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/trave...on-peters.html

and they have been rebuffed by Samoa who don't want diseased kiwis on their doorstep

'Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sa'ilele Malielegaoi says Samoa was criticised by New Zealand for its early border closure and tough measures, but his country can't trust any flight coming in will be Covid-19 free.
"Once bitten twice shy, we have been hit hard by the measles ( from NZ ) and we did not want to be hit hard a second time."'

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...est-travellers


So much for not wanting to open their borders.....
Your comment are misleading. They ignore the nuances. Yes NZ wants to open up borders ... contingent on ..... "when it is safe to do so". Same with Samoa. And there were stuffups that allowed measles in to Samoa. Every country wants to open borders ... the difference is the policy decision as to "safety". If you miss the bit about when it is safe to do so(the bit in quotation marks) you miss the point.
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Re: Cruisers seeking humanitarian refuge in NZ

But wait, there's more!

NZ wants to open borders with Nuie and the Cook Islands...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/tarana/12230...d-niue-says-pm

I'm sure there is some nuance in there as well....
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Where is the nuance here
'An air bridge between New Zealand and the Australian states of Queensland and Tasmania could've been underway a long time ago if it weren't for the 'jealousy' of other states, the Foreign Minister says.

Winston Peters says both states are safe enough to open up their borders to New Zealand because they, like us, have a very low number of COVID-19 cases.

Tasmania has zero active cases of coronavirus, while Queensland has less than 10. New Zealand has 25 active cases, all of which are in quarantine facilities. '
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Quoting Winston isn't going to matter much since he'll be gone in less than two months. He's just trying to stir the pot.

Is not possible to treat the states of Australia individually when talking about international travel. The internal borders aren't secure.

Yes, it would help to include Niue (which is a nz dependent territory), but the difficulty is in organising international airports to be divided into two. At the moment all international terminals are treated as quarantine facilities, and all passengers in there are dealt with as if they have covid. Domestic terminals are separate and are working normally. The complex part is how to allow incoming international travel into nz from a covid-free country while still having the incoming quarantine facilities. You'd need two completely separate routes in, separate customs and biosecurity staff, different air crew, it would be a very difficult thing to ensure it was possible safely. The possibility of a screw up is very high.
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So if the virus persists in the outside world for years or even decades NZ will keep it's borders closed. Sounds like the worlds biggest prison camp to me.

Consider a hypothetical for a moment: The virus persists. Instead of declining in potency it evolves to become more deadly. However exposure to the early pre-evolved version provides protection.

Sweden is going to look very wise then NZ, Australia and the other "eradicators" are going to appear foolish then.

This things a long way from over and I have the feeling that the so called experts are not so certain of the eventual outcome.
A very big prison camp, indeed. But I think you might be considering the bars from the wrong side

Your hypothesis is one of the most far-fetched I've yet heard on the subject. It almost sounds as if it's completely made up just to make a point...
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Quoting Winston isn't going to matter much since he'll be gone in less than two months. He's just trying to stir the pot.

Is not possible to treat the states of Australia individually when talking about international travel. The internal borders aren't secure.

Yes, it would help to include Niue (which is a nz dependent territory), but the difficulty is in organising international airports to be divided into two. At the moment all international terminals are treated as quarantine facilities, and all passengers in there are dealt with as if they have covid. Domestic terminals are separate and are working normally. The complex part is how to allow incoming international travel into nz from a covid-free country while still having the incoming quarantine facilities. You'd need two completely separate routes in, separate customs and biosecurity staff, different air crew, it would be a very difficult thing to ensure it was possible safely. The possibility of a screw up is very high.
Hang on.... your Foreign Minister and Deputy PM may well be gone by year's end.... but while acting in that position he has tried and been rebuffed by Australia... Your PM has tried and been rebuffed by Samoa and now they are trying for Nuie and the Cook Islands ... as you say .. dependencies.... doesn't mean they can't tell em to piss orf.... same as the NT is doing to the bits of Australia that really matter.....

However they are letting in people from the Phillipines, India, and other 'hot spots' as they have NZ citizenship.... now I wonder if these people have dual citizenship... if so then NZ doesn't have to let them back in.
That came up 14 years ago... big bust up in Southern Lebanon.... 20,000 'Australians' squealing for help.... 99% had Lebanese citizenship as well and had been sunning themselves beachside in Beirut while sucking down their Australian pensions.
Lots of rule changes after that... main one that concerns us here... if you have dual citizen ship with countries A and B... you can't ask for help from B while living in A
( off topic aside... I was in Sharm el Sheik at the time... resorts were full of Israeli registered cars - fancy cars - owned by wealthy palestinians who had decided that northern Israel wasn't a good place to be... funny old world innit...)

Letting yachts into NZ from Covid free SoPac states....phtt... small beer....
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He has tried and been rebuffed, but by the nz government not Australia.
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NZ will take them, for every credit card is welcome there. Especially one that gets stuck and cannot leave, spending on varnish, liferafts and beer.


BUT "... humanitarian ..." what? Are these cruisers killed in Fiji or Tortured in Tonga?


AUS has a special humanitarian camp for this kind of people, I think in Vanuatu. Much disputed by humanitarian commission of the UN.


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BUT "... humanitarian ..." what? Are these cruisers killed in Fiji or Tortured in Tonga?

What if they get bored and there is nothing to see or do? It happens you know.
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The issue in NZ is really that we have eliminated COVID here completely with a hard lockdown and huge effort in contact tracing.


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You missed the word 'virtually'.


New cases today 2, yesterday 3, Active cases 25.


You are a small and geographically removed nation. And you ACTED. These things saved you.


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I left out virtually intentionally. ALL of the cases in the last few months have been brought in by Kiwis returning from the rest of the world. They are in mandatory managed isolation. There is ZERO community transmission. That's why it annoys the locals so much when the returnees try to escape managed isolation.
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All of the cases are in a single quarantine location. Incoming people are in managed isolation when they arrive and tested at 3 and 12 days. If they test positive they are moved to the quarantine location and stay there until recovered.
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All of the cases are in a single quarantine location. Incoming people are in managed isolation when they arrive and tested at 3 and 12 days. If they test positive they are moved to the quarantine location and stay there until recovered.
Or buried or cremated.

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Or buried or cremated.

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Well yes, presumably they're ready for that possibility too. Thanks Ann
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