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Old 09-12-2024, 11:07   #16
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I for one am not writing a piece on this topic. I have in the past. Hell, I've written about everything related to sailing. But I'm not doing this one again. Just sharing and hoping people can learn from each other. I'm depressed by how few people go sailing int he off season and how lonely the waters get. I would like to see more boats stay in the water. That's my motivation. The marina gets boring.

For anyone who feels that forums never have and never should be scanned to ideas by writers ... I'm sorry you feel that way, but the first line in my avitar is full disclosure. It's pretty transparent. An image or exact text is never used without permission, in which case you would be asked.

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The other challenge is how to winterize a boat for off-season sailing. But that is another thread.

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Sometimes I'll add a helmet in the winter, if it's gusty. With a balaclava on I can't feel it and it adds considerable warmth if you stuff foam in the vents. Saves banging your dome in the companionway as well. A bump cap insert works in the summer. https://www.officedepot.com/a/produc...ion-Universal/

I have a few; I like the Zihk H1 best for sailing.
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I've been buying merino thermie tops from Katmandu when they're on close out sale. I love 'em. Very comfy to wear, and don't make my skin itch, as wool did when I was a child. I bought a test one from a different supplier here in Oz just before the Black Friday sales, and, to my sorrow, it did not fit well, and it made me itch. My plan is to wash it next laundry day, and see if the itch has gone away, otherwise, I will either give it to Jim, who will wear it with a T-shirt under, or accept his offer of a cotton/poly T-shirt to try under it.

Otherwise, my foulies are Gill, and Musto. And my unders are all from backpacking places, and always have been. My most long lived socks are wool and polypropylene, from REI. In the big smoke here, there is a used camping gear store I frequent, looking for more merino. I prefer to pay less, and still get better stuff. I also used to wear warm up pants (from skiing) over Levi's to keep warm and dry in the wet. Rinse in fresh water, dry fast. Seaboots are fishermen's. Gave up on Topsiders in 1990. Fell apart, soles got hard.

When it's cold aboard, under 10 deg. C. you might see me in my warm coat, a $45 on sale polyester fiberfill type 3/4 coat; but I also have a couple of beanies I wear, one of which has a balaclava layer which I can use outside. and all my warm shirts are hoodies, and so I often have my hood up.

However, we avoid cold weather.

Look to other industries than sailing chic, for "bargains."

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Some of the most beautiful places in the world are not found in temperate or tropical climates. My greatest regret when transiting the St. Lawrence River was our inability, due to Winter weather approaching, to fully explore Newfoundland and historical Viking sites mentioned in the Sagas and historical research along the east coast of Labrador. But, if there's anyone I would listen to in re: cold weather sailing it would be Pinguino who, based on his travels, is a remarkable cold weather sailor.
We learned in the early years at a Safety at Sea Seminar that "Cotton Kills" based on its inability to wick moisture from the body creating deadly consequences for those who become oversaturated with sweat. We use either polypropylene or Merino wool undergarments as well as moisture wicking outerwear--your choice. I also have a heavy outercoat I use made by Wiggy's Clothing who also supplies the US military for sub-Artic conditions when we transited Northern Lake Michigan/Northern Lake Huron under sail at night in late May with temps in the low 30's and never felt the cold.
We are, now, in our autumnal years and "expedition sailing" will not be on our list however, I could be tempted with the right boat and people since the blood of the North is still running freely in my veins. . . A furore Normanorum libera nos Domine . . . Oh, Lord, deliver us from the fury of the Northmen.
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I've been buying merino thermie tops from Katmandu when they're on close out sale. I love 'em. Very comfy to wear, and don't make my skin itch, as wool did when I was a child. I bought a test one from a different supplier here in Oz just before the Black Friday sales, and, to my sorrow, it did not fit well, and it made me itch. My plan is to wash it next laundry day, and see if the itch has gone away, otherwise, I will either give it to Jim, who will wear it with a T-shirt under, or accept his offer of a cotton/poly T-shirt to try under it.

Otherwise, my foulies are Gill, and Musto. And my unders are all from backpacking places, and always have been. My most long lived socks are wool and polypropylene, from REI. In the big smoke here, there is a used camping gear store I frequent, looking for more merino. I prefer to pay less, and still get better stuff. I also used to wear warm up pants (from skiing) over Levi's to keep warm and dry in the wet. Rinse in fresh water, dry fast. Seaboots are fishermen's. Gave up on Topsiders in 1990. Fell apart, soles got hard.

When it's cold aboard, under 10 deg. C. you might see me in my warm coat, a $45 on sale polyester fiberfill type 3/4 coat; but I also have a couple of beanies I wear, one of which has a balaclava layer which I can use outside. and all my warm shirts are hoodies, and so I often have my hood up.

However, we avoid cold weather.

Look to other industries than sailing chic, for "bargains."

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Levis in a cold weather thread? Oh dear. On a scale of 1 to 10 they rank 0 for cold weather suitability.



I gave up on Levis in the 90s. Maybe it was the 80s.
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I must admit to giving up on "sailing" attire, heavy, expensive and didn't last that long. I opted for Fladen's worksuits about 15 years ago and haven't looked back.


https://fladenfishing.se/en/collections/flytoveraller


I like the all in one (baby grow suit). You can wear anything you like underneath, from shorts and a tee shirt to fully clothed with thermals. Really easy to get on and off. As a floatation suit I use mine with just a harness no need for a life jacket. They are economic to buy and last 10 years plus.

Many decades ago I had a dayglo orange one-piece "dinghy suit", obscure make unremembered, bought on sale, that was great, and worn with a matching helmet and a Honda SS50, unaccountably had me mistaken for a police motorcyclist more than once (?)

So onezies for the win.

Stupidly I lent it to a guy I'd sailed with a couple of times and he used it as overalls for plastering his house, and of course ruined it. Seemed he was as good a plasterer as he was a person.

Since it seems I will be once again sailing in Scotland, after a couple of decades living in Taiwan, I'll be looking for something similarly effective.
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I must admit to giving up on "sailing" attire, heavy, expensive and didn't last that long. I opted for Fladen's worksuits about 15 years ago and haven't looked back.


https://fladenfishing.se/en/collections/flytoveraller


I like the all in one (baby grow suit). You can wear anything you like underneath, from shorts and a tee shirt to fully clothed with thermals. Really easy to get on and off. As a floatation suit I use mine with just a harness no need for a life jacket. They are economic to buy and last 10 years plus.

Does Fladen have a US retailer? I could never find one.
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Many decades ago I had a dayglo orange one-piece "dinghy suit", obscure make unremembered, bought on sale, that was great, and worn with a matching helmet and a Honda SS50, unaccountably had me mistaken for a police motorcyclist more than once (?)

So onezies for the win.

Stupidly I lent it to a guy I'd sailed with a couple of times and he used it as overalls for plastering his house, and of course ruined it. Seemed he was as good a plasterer as he was a person.

Since it seems I will be once again sailing in Scotland, after a couple of decades living in Taiwan, I'll be looking for something similarly effective.

A drysuit can be very effective, but I thought that was over the top for this thread.


I have 1-peice coveralls, built for outdoor winter use, with internal suspenders. Nice but bulky and overkill most days.
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I gave up on Levis in the 90s. Maybe it was the 80s.
In all honesty, I was, at the time, a recently divorced mother of 3 teenagers, and new to sailing, when I dressed that way. But what it is is a way of using stuff you already have, when feeling impoverished, and just getting in to a new sport.

It is better if you can get good stuff, but where it is priced out of reach, the principle of looking elsewhere than WM, for gear that will work for sailing can save you a lot of money, and I found that in thrift shops (specially ones in wealthy areas), sales, and other activities, like gear for poorer fishermen, not sports fishermen.

Ymmv.

People vary in their fashion consciousness from not giving a darn to finding it important. It would sure change "fashion" if practicality and durability were a value.

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I like laminated gtx style outer layer, with ample hood and a very high tunnel neck.


I also like gym-style body layer. It looks funky maybe, but it tends to dry on me even before I take of the outer coats.


I like the idea of wxproof socks and deck shoes to replace deck boots. I will try this out next. Thank you !!! for sharing the idea !!!


I noted for many people lenses are better than glasses - better vision should any rain or spray by driven by the wind.


My note : cold starts earlier in the cockpit than in the house. I was cold crossing the tropics too. I got hypothermal when arranging 2nd anchor in a gale in Northern Australia, in their summer ...


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I would just ask that any forum member read the initial post before spouting off. Or take a chill pill and relax while the rest of us enjoy each other's opinions.

THANKS thinwater for starting this thread, I've got Reynaulds and the contributions to this thread are so helpful that I bookmarked it immediately. For almost 20 years all my time and money have been spent on fixing my Good Old Boat, "real" foul weather clothing is absurdly unaffordable (and poorly designed) so purchases of "weather clothing" have been limited to resale shops. Thank You Everyone for your contributions, my boat is nearing completion (hahaha, lol) hopefully now I can finally start spending money on ME. (hahaha, we'll see about that!)

As for the Smart @ss comments from warmer climes ... Keep 'em coming! Keeps me motivated to work my fingers to the bone so I can dream about joining you.
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Clothing-wise I don't have anything useful to add. However in the cockpit ... !!!

I single hand and have a simple boat so seldom need to leave the cockpit, but having a comfortable body is imperative. (Maybe only single handers understand the importance of that.)

I'm good with heat, but sometimes the humidity is life-sucking, Hella fans are The Best. Cold is devastating for me, but I found that truckers have Great DC gear !! Check out 12V heated blankets !!! (I haven't found 12V fans better than Hella, use this clamp: https://www.mantusmarine.com/mantus-rail-clamp/ )

Anyway, I installed a 12V plug at my helm so I can have a fan or a heated blanket as needed.
And that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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In all honesty, I was, at the time, a recently divorced mother of 3 teenagers, and new to sailing, when I dressed that way. But what it is is a way of using stuff you already have, when feeling impoverished, and just getting in to a new sport.

It is better if you can get good stuff, but where it is priced out of reach, the principle of looking elsewhere than WM, for gear that will work for sailing can save you a lot of money, and I found that in thrift shops (specially ones in wealthy areas), sales, and other activities, like gear for poorer fishermen, not sports fishermen.

Ymmv.

People vary in their fashion consciousness from not giving a darn to finding it important. It would sure change "fashion" if practicality and durability were a value.

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About 80% of my foul weather arsenal comes from thrift stores. There are serious bargains, but it requires time. There is a large one near my home that gets a lot of donation from people with $$$ that either never used it or got fat. But it took years to collect. I actually have about 2-4 of everything I described, seldom for more than $8-15. Fortunately the sorters/pricers don't know the difference between Old Navy and Marmut ... but they might know North Face and Nike. Even then, they don't know the difference between the round-town stuff and the high end stuff. If I tear the Goretex pants on something sharp ... ehhh.

  • Soccer pants.
  • Goretex everything.
  • Snowboard pants. Barton.
  • Gortex down parka from Climb High.
  • High-end thermal shirts and fleece. Mostly Hind.
  • Fleece caps. I lose these a lot.
I have to buy the balaclavas, waterproof socks, and most of the gloves.

Also, my other hobbies are climbing and ice climbing, so there is some overlap.


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I like to spread my money far. I also believe that re-use and extended use are the best forms of recycling. I always have a needle and tread handy. I re-seam sealed two Goretex coats last spring (it iron-on and easy to do).
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People vary in their fashion consciousness from not giving a darn to finding it important. It would sure change "fashion" if practicality and durability were a value.

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I guess I fit the latter category.


Fashion has got to be the worst possible idea as far as the environment goes. More so fashionable sailing gear, a new range every year - really!


Who cares what it looks like as long as you are warm and dry. Don't care what I look like going to the pub either as long as their are friendly people and Guinness, never had any time for this image culture.
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Does Fladen have a US retailer? I could never find one.

Not as far as I know, although retailers in the UK will ship to the States.


https://www.graniteworkwear.com/


Granite will ship to the US flat rate. They also stock Mullion and Fladen. Mustang in the US have similar products.


Rig workers, fisherman and the like are the main users so search marine workwear rather than sailing gear.
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