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Old 03-08-2020, 23:26   #46
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Well there are certified boating PFDs that come in Type I, III and V. At least in my case I cannot make myself float face down, and since I have used it in whitewater I am pretty confident with it. There are a few different "paddling" or whitewater jackets that are type V, special use, high flotation. Those used by guides and rescuers are typically in that category with over 22 lbs of flotation. And there are Type I whitewater jackets as well. But yes, a typical type III will not be as likely to hold you face up or hold your head up when on your back.

Its not just about holding your head up, its about turning you over if you fall into the water unconscious and face down. Only a type 1 is designed to turn any size person face up. All others are not sufficient and in many places not certified for offshore use.


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It’s not just about holding your head up, it’s about turning you over if you fall into the water unconscious and face down. Only a type 1 is designed to turn any size person face up. All others are not sufficient and in many places not certified for offshore use.


https://www.apsltd.com/aps-advisor/life-jacket-types/
Yes, and in the whitewater business all the customers get the type I, and I do carry type Is also, but those are harder to work in, be it swimming, rowing or paddling, or rescuing others. But as the site also points out, there are currently no approved inflatable type I, which I find surprising. I'm really not intending to argue, and I know my PFD is not type I, just to suggest that the perfect PFD for offshore sailing is still yet to be perfected, and certified.
In any case, sorry for the thread drift, this discussion is about inflatables.
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Automatic. Spin lock Deck Vest.
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Automatic, one less thing to think about when the **** hits the fan.
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Re: Automatic or Manual life vest?

See The CCA's recommendation:

https://cruisingclub.org/article/lif...ecommendations

All life jackets have pros and cons. In warm waters, most people opt for inflatables - but they need training, fit and maintenance/testing.

As another member reported earlier, CCA member and safety expert Ralph Naranjo has written extensively, mostly in Practical Sailor, on this subject. He points out that in some conditions, e.g. cold water, inherently-buoyant life jackets may be preferable.

Whatever you choose, WEAR IT! And, if inflatable, attend to training, fit and maintenance/testing.

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https://cruisingclub.org/article/safety-culture
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Read the latest "Practical Sailor" for a great article on why you should have both available.
Great article! Agree, Both.
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OK. Face up for the unconscious one, but next to zero 'swimm-ability' for the conscious one!


I agree auto is a fine device. Just think about how very limiting it is too.


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Re: Automatic or Manual life vest?

FWIW, whenever things get super sporty for me, or if it isn't too hot, it is not uncommon for me to switch to a traditional vest. I figure if the odds increase that I may end up in the water, I don't mind the bulk, especially if it is cool out. I keep my full featured traditional vest quite accessible in case I need to go in the water to assist a MOB or another matter. Swimming in an inflatable is tough; swimming in a traditional not too bad. And yes, I have a harness to go with it.
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Manual. You want to make the decision of when to inflate.
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Automatic. If I find myself in the water it's likely due to some traumatic event.
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Automatic. If I find myself in the water it's likely due to some traumatic event.
That would be the exception.
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That would be the exception.

Yes, going over is an unusual event on a cruising sailboat. Since it is the exception, the cause is likely some sort of traumatic event, such as an injury.
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Re: Automatic or Manual life vest?

If one is conditions that a life vest seems prudent why not a real one ? I think an inflatable LV is like an inflatable dinghy, there great until they decide to deflate. That is if they even inflate at all. Jumping in the water to test your inflatable doesn't seem like much of a test, try being slammed to the deck, dragged across cleats blocks , shackles and other types of gear and then into the drink, that may be more realistic.
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If one is conditions that a life vest seems prudent why not a real one ? I think an inflatable LV is like an inflatable dinghy, there great until they decide to deflate. That is if they even inflate at all. Jumping in the water to test your inflatable doesn't seem like much of a test, try being slammed to the deck, dragged across cleats blocks , shackles and other types of gear and then into the drink, that may be more realistic.
hmmm...i'm guessing you haven't spent a lot of time wearing / working in a l/jacket have you ?

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Re: Automatic or Manual life vest?

There is a good point hidden in there: if you're in a situation where a non-inflatable isn't too restrictive and you're at risk for being knocked into solid objects, the non-inflatable will at least offer some padding on the way to the water. Other than that, inflatables are typically a lot more pleasant to wear for long periods of time.
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