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27-03-2013, 13:12
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
I wonder what sort of desk the CO and OOW are now driving
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27-03-2013, 13:26
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
The picture of them puling portions of the hull, it looks like they stripped the Navy grey coating off the outside of the hull. Was that just some sort of fabric covering the hull or possibly a plastic membrane of some sort?
Edit: The article says it was a fiberglass skin and that it broke off due to sea conditions once grounded. Kind of off that the shell would de-laminate from the hull due to heavy surf.
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27-03-2013, 14:04
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
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Originally Posted by Tscott8201
...The article says it was a fiberglass skin and that it broke off due to sea conditions once grounded. Kind of off that the shell would de-laminate from the hull due to heavy surf.
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That apparently happened withing a week of the grounding. Just a guess, but I think that after the bottom was damaged, with all the pounding and flexing, water got into the wood (oak) and wicked up between the skin and the wood, and that's what made the ship a write-off.
Those darned cored hulls again
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31-03-2013, 10:55
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
Wood benches for a jeepney?
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31-03-2013, 11:36
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
Yeah, that would be about it. Not that that's a bad thing. When one of the ships I'm on stops in one of the 3rd world countries and we offload trash; its immediately hauled off and sold in town. The ultimate recycling. Can't say its worth "a ton" though.
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02-04-2013, 15:11
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
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If the cuts are neat enough, some enterprising small country could probably just epoxy it back together and have a navy.
"Hello Noah's? We'd like 2 tank cars of epoxy, 2 miles of glass cloth, and one ton of microballoons. Yes, just a ton. Here's our VISA number..."
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02-04-2013, 16:22
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
I wonder if the navy will pay the fine for damaging a marine park,,, hmmm.
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02-04-2013, 17:08
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I wonder if the navy will pay the fine for damaging a marine park,,, hmmm.
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I would certainly expect so. Want there a mention of that in one of the articles?
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02-04-2013, 20:25
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
The scrap value of the Guardian should cover the fine.
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03-04-2013, 07:12
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
Only thing left is the court-martial.
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04-04-2013, 06:19
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
From the AP:
PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii – Four officers of a U.S. Navy minesweeper that ran aground on coral reef in the Philippines are being relieved of their duties.
The U.S. Pacific Fleet said in a statement Wednesday that initial findings indicate all four sailors failed to adhere to standard navigation procedures at the time of the Jan. 17 grounding of the Guardian.
The sailors are the commanding officer, the executive officer and navigator, the assistant navigator and the officer of the deck. They've been reassigned.
Workers recently finished dismantling and removing the minesweeper from Tubbataha National Marine Park.
The park's superintendent has said the grounding damaged about 4,000 square meters, or nearly 5,000 square yards, of reef. The U.S. could face a fine of more than $2 million for the damage
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04-04-2013, 07:03
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
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The sailors are the commanding officer, the executive officer and navigator, the assistant navigator and the officer of the deck. They've been reassigned.
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04-04-2013, 08:41
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
"The [FOUR] sailors are the [1] commanding officer, [2]the executive officer and [3] navigator, the [4]assistant navigator and the [5]officer of the deck. "
Unless the news wire is poorly written and the xo is also the navigator, this makes it seem like someone is using the same kind of math that got them on the reef in the first place.
Hmmm.....Nav is XO on minesweeper?? Just curious to know.
And a transfer without loss of rank, that's damned generous for killing your own ship, isn't it? Sounds like they couldn't fix direct blame on anyone or thing.
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04-04-2013, 09:01
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts
The article is just written confusingly. It said "four officers" were relieved and then went on to say "the sailors" who were relieved were...etc. The CO, XO, Nav, and OOD are officers. The Assistant Navigator is enlisted.
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