Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 27-03-2013, 13:12   #256
Moderator
 
Pete7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,695
Images: 21
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

I wonder what sort of desk the CO and OOW are now driving

Pete
Pete7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-03-2013, 13:26   #257
Registered User
 
Tscott8201's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: North Florida
Posts: 104
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

The picture of them puling portions of the hull, it looks like they stripped the Navy grey coating off the outside of the hull. Was that just some sort of fabric covering the hull or possibly a plastic membrane of some sort?

Edit: The article says it was a fiberglass skin and that it broke off due to sea conditions once grounded. Kind of off that the shell would de-laminate from the hull due to heavy surf.

Tom
Tscott8201 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-03-2013, 14:04   #258
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lake Ont
Posts: 8,570
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tscott8201 View Post
...The article says it was a fiberglass skin and that it broke off due to sea conditions once grounded. Kind of off that the shell would de-laminate from the hull due to heavy surf.
That apparently happened withing a week of the grounding. Just a guess, but I think that after the bottom was damaged, with all the pounding and flexing, water got into the wood (oak) and wicked up between the skin and the wood, and that's what made the ship a write-off.

Those darned cored hulls again
Lake-Effect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 08:58   #259
Registered User
 
mbianka's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,218
Images: 1
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Looks like the final piece was lifted off the reef:
Last part of doomed US Navy ship removed from Philippine reef | Fox News

Wonder what's going to happen to all the wood from the hull and deck probably still worth a ton of money!
__________________
Mike
mbianka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 10:55   #260
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Boat: Research vessel for a university, retired now.
Posts: 10,405
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Wood benches for a jeepney?
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-03-2013, 11:36   #261
Registered User
 
Randy's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego
Boat: Farrier f27
Posts: 704
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Yeah, that would be about it. Not that that's a bad thing. When one of the ships I'm on stops in one of the 3rd world countries and we offload trash; its immediately hauled off and sold in town. The ultimate recycling. Can't say its worth "a ton" though.
Randy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 15:11   #262
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lake Ont
Posts: 8,570
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbianka View Post
Looks like the final piece was lifted off the reef:
Last part of doomed US Navy ship removed from Philippine reef | Fox News

Wonder what's going to happen to all the wood from the hull and deck
If the cuts are neat enough, some enterprising small country could probably just epoxy it back together and have a navy.

"Hello Noah's? We'd like 2 tank cars of epoxy, 2 miles of glass cloth, and one ton of microballoons. Yes, just a ton. Here's our VISA number..."
Lake-Effect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 16:22   #263
Registered User
 
ozskipper's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NSW Australia
Boat: Traditional 30
Posts: 1,980
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

I wonder if the navy will pay the fine for damaging a marine park,,, hmmm.
__________________
Cheers
Oz
...............
ozskipper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 17:08   #264
Registered User
 
ElGatoGordo's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: La Marque, TX
Boat: Mac 26X
Posts: 713
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozskipper
I wonder if the navy will pay the fine for damaging a marine park,,, hmmm.
I would certainly expect so. Want there a mention of that in one of the articles?
__________________
------------------
Gordo
ElGatoGordo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 20:25   #265
Registered User
 
delmarrey's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Philippines in the winters
Boat: It’s in French Polynesia now
Posts: 11,372
Images: 122
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

The scrap value of the Guardian should cover the fine.
__________________
Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful! ........
The measure of a man is how he navigates to a proper shore in the midst of a storm!
delmarrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2013, 07:12   #266
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lake Ont
Posts: 8,570
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Only thing left is the court-martial.
Lake-Effect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 06:19   #267
Registered User
 
ElGatoGordo's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: La Marque, TX
Boat: Mac 26X
Posts: 713
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

From the AP:

PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii – Four officers of a U.S. Navy minesweeper that ran aground on coral reef in the Philippines are being relieved of their duties.
The U.S. Pacific Fleet said in a statement Wednesday that initial findings indicate all four sailors failed to adhere to standard navigation procedures at the time of the Jan. 17 grounding of the Guardian.
The sailors are the commanding officer, the executive officer and navigator, the assistant navigator and the officer of the deck. They've been reassigned.
Workers recently finished dismantling and removing the minesweeper from Tubbataha National Marine Park.
The park's superintendent has said the grounding damaged about 4,000 square meters, or nearly 5,000 square yards, of reef. The U.S. could face a fine of more than $2 million for the damage
__________________
------------------
Gordo
ElGatoGordo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 07:03   #268
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
Images: 3
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Quote:
The sailors are the commanding officer, the executive officer and navigator, the assistant navigator and the officer of the deck. They've been reassigned.
"Hard to starboard on that deck there . XO", " Aye Aye skipper"

dave
__________________
Interested in smart boat technology, networking and all things tech
goboatingnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 08:41   #269
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 15,136
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

"The [FOUR] sailors are the [1] commanding officer, [2]the executive officer and [3] navigator, the [4]assistant navigator and the [5]officer of the deck. "

Unless the news wire is poorly written and the xo is also the navigator, this makes it seem like someone is using the same kind of math that got them on the reef in the first place.

Hmmm.....Nav is XO on minesweeper?? Just curious to know.

And a transfer without loss of rank, that's damned generous for killing your own ship, isn't it? Sounds like they couldn't fix direct blame on anyone or thing.
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2013, 09:01   #270
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3
Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

The article is just written confusingly. It said "four officers" were relieved and then went on to say "the sailors" who were relieved were...etc. The CO, XO, Nav, and OOD are officers. The Assistant Navigator is enlisted.
steven_b is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
charts, navy

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:57.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.