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Old 07-08-2024, 19:27   #1
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San Diego to San Francisco opinions wanted

Has anyone day sailed from LA area to San Francisco? Stopping in ports or harbors to overnight.
Thinking of buying a sailboat and bringing it up. Best route? Best time frame? Thanks in advance for thoughtful replies.
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Old 07-08-2024, 20:16   #2
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Has anyone day sailed from LA area to San Francisco? Stopping in ports or harbors to overnight.
Thinking of buying a sailboat and bringing it up. Best route? Best time frame? Thanks in advance for thoughtful replies.
Yes, I did it solo, stopped every night.
Although I started south of LA and kept going past SF, these were the places I stopped at south of SF.

Marina Del Rey harbor.
Channel Islands harbor.
Santa Barbara harbor.
Coho (anchored).
Port San Luis, (got a mooring).
Morrow Bay.
San Simeon, (anchored).
Pheiffer Cove, (anchored,)
Be careful if you use Pheiffer, it's good holding, but no place to screw around with, it's small and there is a kelp line.
Stillwater Cove, (got a mooring).
Santa Cruz harbor.
Half Moon Bay, (anchored).

Before I went to bed each night the next day's run was carefully charted/plotted, including courses for departure from the present locations, and I would leave port at whatever time necessary to be sure of arriving at that day's destination well before nightfall.

The Coast Pilot was the Bible, (and I had EVERY chart).
Don't go into strange places at night.
Don't lollygag, keep the boat speed up, have a "bailout time", trying to continue into worsening weather is a fool's errand.
North of Pt. Conception the Pacific Coast is not a hospitable place if the weather turns against you.
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Old 07-08-2024, 21:18   #3
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I've used "The cruising guide to central & southern California" by Brian Fagan, long out of print I believe but the traditional cruising guide to the coast.
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Old 07-08-2024, 21:42   #4
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I've done it a couple times in both directions.

When you say you are thinking of buying a boat, what is your experience? If you watch the weather carefully, it isn't particularly difficult. If you don't watch the weather, it can be pretty dangerous. I would not recommend the trip for a beginner.

Bowdrie gave the route. There aren't that many ways to do it. I skipped Pheiffer Cove and did the whole big Sur Coast in one overnight. It was an overnight sail, but still less than 24hrs. I anchored everywhere and did not take a berth anywhere.

The most notable thing is that you almost must anchor at Coho and wait for a window to go around Pt. Conception. Watch the weather and the swell very carefully at that point.

Last time I did it was 100% with Navionics. Navionics has good information on all the anchorages in the user comments.

Going North is probably easier in the Winter, when you are more likely to get Southerlies. I prefer to go in the Summer and plan on motoring because I like warmer weather.
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Ex full time delivery skipper out of SF here.

You will be motoring most of the way (if not the whole way). Winds are from the NW. Normal summer pattern is wind starts building mid/late morning and crests mid/late afternoon. North of Conception/Arguello can be close to 30 kts which creates a steep, short chop on the nose that will stop you cold and keep you wet. The 15-20 miles between points Conception and Arguello are especially bad and can really churn.

From SoCal, I would time my departure to round Conception/Arguello around midnight when it was most likely laid down. Anchoring at Cojo is workable if needed though challenging at night as there is a heavy kelp line to weave through

There are several problems with day sailing and stopping at night. First, it means you're dealing with the strong afternoon winds. Second. You're dealing with them upon entering a port or anchorage. Third, when entering a port such as Morro Bay, you want to do so on high slack or mild flood to avoid wind against an ebb. So timing is really important and can be complicated. Finally, entering a port or anchorage means departing from there - often well before first light. Departing Port San Luis at night isn't bad. Departing Morro Bay is. As a tip, I like to write down the compass heading needed to exit - at night, nothing looks the same. Having a beating really helps keep the blood pressure in check.

Unless you have a strong desire to see the California coast and stop every night, my recommendation would be to keep going until you have to stop (fuel, weather, mechanical, etc).

Heading north, if the boat I was on had a strong engine and line cutters on the shaft, I'd run close to the surfline in the afternoon to knock down about half the wind chop. As afternoon turned to evening and winds would pay down, id drift out to at least 600-ft depth for the night. People often talk about heading to deep water to reduce chop - has not been my experience (and frankly, my experience comes from prior delivery skippers and commercial fishermen). But do whatever makes sense to you.

From San Diego, make a beeline to Conception passing between Santa Rosa and Santa Cruz islands. Crossing the Santa Barbara shopping channel is much easier now with AIS but still, do so at a right angle.

For personal timing, if I have a choice, I'd wait until the Indian Summer that hits the central coast - the 3-weeks each Sept/Oct when San dranciscans wish they had air conditioning. High pressure settle over Nevada desert and keeps things really calm and warm along the central coast. Beautiful weather to be on the water. But it's usually only a few weeks so plan accordingly.

Good luck. Nice run.
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Old 08-08-2024, 09:26   #6
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Some great information is provided in this thread by some very experienced sailors.
I just want to add that on this route, you will be relying heavily on the (new to you) boat's engine and propulsion system.
Consider this when putting your plan together:
When Purchasing - engine sea trial/ survey checks
Fuel Management - including fuel locations on your route
Emergency Procedures - Plan B in case of engine failure, Reliable Communications, etc

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We bought our first Insatiable in San Diego. First night was Cojo, behind the kelp. Next night was Moro Bay, then Monterey, and then into SF. We had a crew of 4 iirc. But we also have sailed the route a number of times in Jim's previous Yankee 30. We have never been anchored in Pfeiffer Cove, but it is conveniently located for a stop--the wreck ashore is a reminder of what can happen on a lee shore. Never stopped at San Simeon, either.

Channel Islands harbor. Have anchored out here. Crowdy.

Santa Barbara harbor. Friendly for an overnighter.

Coho - anchored between kelp and shore, surprisingly good protection) ; folding prop helps get in and out of such places.

Morro Bay. Got a mooring every time.

Stillwater Cove, no moorings when we were there; but you can anchor out in Monterey. Very special spot for me, lots of golf balls and towels, though.

Santa Cruz harbor - subject to silting up.

Half Moon Bay, Good holding.



Unlike mvweebles, we've sailed the California coast, not motored. The trips are very different if you sail, compared to motoring. How many times you stop at night will depend on if you have crew to keep sailing the boat at night. The trip is usually upcurrent and upwind. So one thing to consider is how to factor in sleep needs. You will need to make more stops with less crew. If singlehanding, sleep on the offshore tack.

With a new-to-you boat, you don't know if the engine will be reliable enough to do a motor-into-everything sort of delivery, and it is all definitely all sailable. As I say, we have NEVER motored it, we were sailing for races locally, and went to the Channel Is. for vacations. We did not have a delivery perspective on the trip. Ymmv. Fwiw, I think it is less wear and tear on the boat than pounding straight into the waves. To me, sailboats don't make great motorboats.



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FWIW, about 3 weeks ago I delivered a Cal 25 with a 6hp outboard from SF to Santa Barbara. We stopped almost every night, excepting the Big Sur Coast, and timing to get around Conception. We motored almost the whole time because of light winds. We timed leaving Port San Luis to round Point Conception about 5am, and that stretch from San Luis to Santa Barbara was flat. The worst was around Point Sur, with gusts to maybe 20 knots. That only lasted a couple hours.

It was a great trip, with more marine life than I have seen in a long time. The key is to really plan for the weather you want.

Anchored:
Half Moon Bay
Santa Cruz
Monterey - then sailed overnight to
San Simeon
Port San Luis - then left in early evening to round point conception early morning
Santa Barbara
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