Paper Charts or Just Electronic

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Don C L

what's Webb Chiles use? he's been pretty successful...

First time an open boat. Most recently a Moore24. In between some fairly moderate boats.

Oh you mean charts. Initially paper charts. More recently I have no idea.

[Don C L]

Yeah that's what I mean... a little boat and he's made it six times around... 'course by now he knows the planet so well he probably doesn't need any charts or electronics...

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Epikur

I always have up to date paper charts available.

I don't want to depend on a rotten apple.

You don't get it do you.
Paper charts are quite often not up to date or accurate.
You will probably still find places in parts of the world where the last survey was done by Captain Cook.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by Adelie

First time an open boat. Most recently a Moore24. In between some fairly moderate boats.

Oh you mean charts. Initially paper charts. More recently I have no idea.

He uses iPads and some plotting app.


He can use whatever he wants - because HE CAN.


However, I am not sure if he had any paper charts aboard this time. You can easily reach out and ask him via e-mail.



Cheers,
b.

[donradcliffe]

Here is why plotting on paper charts is obsolete and dangerous. It is the track of the MV Rena hitting Astrolabe reef in NZ. Note the plotted positions vs the actual (electronic chart) positions.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

Here is why plotting on paper charts is obsolete and dangerous. It is the track of the MV Rena hitting Astrolabe reef in NZ. Note the plotted positions vs the actual (electronic chart) positions.

Ok so one vessel doing a bad job plotting their position and running aground is evidence that we would all do a bad job. Got it, no more paper charts for anyone.

Please let all the agencies for the various governments know so they can stop printing the suckers and save us from the scourge of dangerous paper charts.

Man I’m so relieved.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

Here is why plotting on paper charts is obsolete and dangerous. It is the track of the MV Rena hitting Astrolabe reef in NZ. Note the plotted positions vs the actual (electronic chart) positions.

And poor initial voyage planning, deviating from the plan they did have, failing to monitor shops position, failing to communicate key info at the watch change and poor watch keeping had nothing to do with the grounding, it was all the bad chart work after the fact while trying to cover up the negligence.

https://gcaptain.com/rena-grounding-final-report/

https://taic.org.nz/sites/default/fi...04%20Final.pdf

[Don C L]

yeah I am not seeing how that is an indictment of the paper chart. Sure the electronic one eliminates the chance for error, as long as its own chart is correct, but I don't see how use of the paper chart is NECESSARILY dangerous. More likely subject to error depending on the navigator, sure, ok.

[gonesail]

paper charts are good for reference .. but let's face it .. most will not fit on a chart table .. much less in a cockpit. color charts look really good in a picture frame

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by gonesail

paper charts are good for reference .. but let's face it .. most will not fit on a chart table .. much less in a cockpit. color charts look really good in a picture frame

I don’t have a chart table but my charts did just fine in the cockpit when we went to Catalina last summer.

[requiem]

Originally Posted by Don C L

yeah I am not seeing how that is an indictment of the paper chart. Sure the electronic one eliminates the chance for error, as long as its own chart is correct, but I don't see how use of the paper chart is NECESSARILY dangerous. More likely subject to error depending on the navigator, sure, ok.

An electronic chart is not the same thing as an electronic fix. It's easy to conflate the two when working on an electronic chart because it often plots a GPS fix for you, but there's little stopping you from plotting a visual fix on an electronic chart or a GPS fix on a paper chart. (Well, perhaps that functionality is not in many chart plotters, but I can certainly do it on my iPhone.)

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Adelie

I don’t have a chart table but my charts did just fine in the cockpit when we went to Catalina last summer.

Even when blowing 20 knots and pissing down rain?

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Even when blowing 20 knots and pissing down rain?

Yep. Chart book printed on plastic paper.

I don't think it quite hit 20kt but I didn't worry about it blowing away. Didn't rain but it did get spray on it and was none the worse for it.

[CassidyNZ]

I guess depending on charts, paper or electronic, while sailing near hard stuff in the water is probably not wise. Visual confirmation is important as is depth readings from a sounder.

I have a friend (experienced voyager) who has no problem entering strange harbours at night depending entirely on electronics (GPS, radar, depth sounder) to get him safely to an anchorage. One of his forays includes entering Penryhn in the Cook Islands at night to anchor off Omoko Village. The image attached makes the hair stand on my neck!

As much as I support the use of electronics for pilotage, my faith doesn’t stretch that far. I do what it needs to arrive at unfamiliar entrances in daylight (shorten sail, slow the boat). If not possible, I stand off until visual confirmation supports electronics.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Yep. Chart book printed on plastic paper.

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Options that most of the world simply do not have available.
I did see chart books about 20 years ago but nothing since.