Cruisers Forum
 


Closed Thread
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 11-05-2013, 10:57   #91
Moderator
 
neilpride's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sxm , Spain
Boat: CSY 44 Tall rig Sold!
Posts: 4,367
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Pelican View Post
We heard a one sided VHF conversation between US Coast Guard, Puerto Rico and Lady Domina broadcast 3rd May as we were passaging along the Puerto Rico coast.
It seemed Lady Domina was requesting weather information only, certainly not assistance. Their position we presumed was most probably lust north of Puerto Rico. Our interest was piqued because we knew of the boat, her owner and one crew member from our time in Hartman Bay, Grenada. We suggest any interested party contact the US Coast Guard Puerto Rico to see if they may know anything further.

Can you confirm the date of vhf contact 3rd MAY? Is correct 3rd May?
neilpride is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 11:18   #92
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 27
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Was either the 3rd of May, or possibly the second. No log was made since we were not participating and it was not a matter of safety or emergency. So, yes, either the 2nd or 3rd of May.
Blue Pelican is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 11:34   #93
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 15,136
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Sinbad, the USCG knows very well that the US military will not give them any access to satellite imagery. That information is all highly classified, even the fact that they have enough resolution and frequent coverage to do the job, which is publicly known, is still classified and can neither be confirmed nor denied.

Yes, it is that simple and that final. When Coyote was lost mid-Atlantic their Congressmen even asked the military for that assistance, and it was denied for exactly that reason. And from the military point of view--there's no change, that's a national security issue.

From the postings about the boat and owner, and the informal "crew wanted" with an assumption of money but no commercial charter, one can assume the owner was doing things on the sly and trying to remain off the radar. That doesn't mean he isn't entitled to rescue, but it does mean he's made it much harder and the system he is dodging and flaunting, has limited resources to deal with that.

There are other satellite imagery assets besides the US military, you might try finding out if anyone was covering that area and pass around a very large hat asking for their assistance instead.

Other than asking other vessels to keep an eye out...I can't see making a great fuss over someone who wanted to stay off the radar. There's no saying he's in distress, leave him be. Or if the "crew" he picked up hijacked the boat for one drug run. You-know-what happens.
hellosailor is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 11:38   #94
Registered User
 
europaflyer's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 385
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Pelican View Post
Was either the 3rd of May, or possibly the second. No log was made since we were not participating and it was not a matter of safety or emergency. So, yes, either the 2nd or 3rd of May.
That's the power of the internet for you. Alive, well and back in the Caribbean (or just possibly never left and the folks back home panicked - not the first time that's happened!).
europaflyer is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 11:43   #95
Moderator
 
neilpride's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sxm , Spain
Boat: CSY 44 Tall rig Sold!
Posts: 4,367
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Pelican View Post
Was either the 3rd of May, or possibly the second. No log was made since we were not participating and it was not a matter of safety or emergency. So, yes, either the 2nd or 3rd of May.

8 days since the Vhf contact along the north coast of Puerto Rico put Lady Domina almost at half way to Azores at 5 or 6 knts , some info posted in this topic dont macht with a 3rd may vhf contact along Puerto Rico, maybe im wrong?
neilpride is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 11:59   #96
Registered User
 
europaflyer's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 385
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

It's supposed to be 41 days since they left. I was assuming the VHF contact 8/9 days ago was after returning from an abortive attempt? Either way, we're not getting the full story here. If they didn't leave until 9 days ago then there is no problem, if they returned 9 days ago then there's been a breakdown in communications somewhere but they're OK.
europaflyer is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 12:19   #97
Registered User
 
sinbad7's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Ubatuba,SP,Brazil (Ex Norway)
Boat: (Ex) Alu. 60' yacht-"Eight Bells"
Posts: 2,731
Images: 57
Send a message via Skype™ to sinbad7
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

'Curiouser and curiouser,said Alice" The VHF conversation from Lady Domina overheard North of Puerto Rico 2/3 May certainly puts a new twist to the conondrum!

I never had any answer to a request made earlier to the St. Martin harbor control re confirmation of their departure from Marigot Bay.

Guess we´ll just have to wait and see.

Tore
__________________
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by."
sinbad7 is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 13:02   #98
Moderator
 
neilpride's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sxm , Spain
Boat: CSY 44 Tall rig Sold!
Posts: 4,367
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Quote:
Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post
'Curiouser and curiouser,said Alice" The VHF conversation from Lady Domina overheard North of Puerto Rico 2/3 May certainly puts a new twist to the conondrum!

I never had any answer to a request made earlier to the St. Martin harbor control re confirmation of their departure from Marigot Bay.

Guess we´ll just have to wait and see.

Tore

St Martin Harbour Control??? we have the grey zodiac from the gendarmes and the black zodiac from Customs and we have the white pathetic zodiac with 2 local guys asking for money fees for anchoring in marigot,,, apart from that no one is patrolling the harbour, now can you confirm the exact date of departure asking to the office in the Ferry terminal or Port la Royale marina office in case the Cap make a formal check out form in st martin?? i guess you be surprised!!!
neilpride is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 13:08   #99
Registered User
 
sww914's Avatar

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Punta De Mita
Boat: Vagabond 39 Hull # 1
Posts: 1,842
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

The Coast Guard does not have access to realtime satellite imagery. If they did, they could probably stop the flow of drugs into Florida by boat.
__________________
Steve
https://www.landfallvoyages.com
sww914 is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 14:05   #100
Registered User
 
sinbad7's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Ubatuba,SP,Brazil (Ex Norway)
Boat: (Ex) Alu. 60' yacht-"Eight Bells"
Posts: 2,731
Images: 57
Send a message via Skype™ to sinbad7
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

I have sent an SMS request to Puerto Rico coast guard to verify the VHF traffic with Lady Domina 2/3 May. Friends of the crew have also phoned the coast guard with the same request and they are searching through their logs for verification.

Tore
__________________
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by."
sinbad7 is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 14:12   #101
Registered User

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Hi Tore,

Just confirming what you said - we've contacted USCG Puerto Rico by phone, waiting for their reply. Norwegian authorities are also informed about the information.

Even
evenv is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 14:14   #102
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,950
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Quote:

According to the 220 hp engine specs it consumes 5l per hour=120 pr day=33 days on 4000l diesel. She has an estimated speed of 5-6 kn in optimal conditions.
According to most sources of information on diesel engines I read, an engine that burns 5l of diesel makes out 25 hp of engine power.

...

A 220 hp engine run at 120 hp will ask for 25 liters per hour. 625 liters per day.

...

Right or wrong?

If right, then that ship had powering range enough to reach the Azores only if powering very slow and in flattish seas.

barnakiel
barnakiel is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 14:26   #103
Registered User

Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

BluePelican: Could you estimate how sure you are that it was actually Lady Domina you heard? And: Was it Lady Domina or the USCG you heard? If Lady Domina, could you say whether you heard any accent or anything indicating the caller was Scandinavian? Grasping at straws here, but any information would help.
evenv is offline  
Old 11-05-2013, 15:32   #104
Moderator
 
Pete7's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Solent, England
Boat: Moody 31
Posts: 18,692
Images: 21
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Quote:
Originally Posted by barnakiel View Post
A 220 hp engine run at 120 hp will ask for 25 liters per hour. 625 liters per day. Right or wrong?

If right, then that ship had powering range enough to reach the Azores only if powering very slow and in flattish seas. barnakiel
This is a big 6 cylinder 4.2L turbo charged engine, so I would say right.

Pete
Pete7 is offline  
Old 12-05-2013, 08:09   #105
Registered User
 
sinbad7's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Ubatuba,SP,Brazil (Ex Norway)
Boat: (Ex) Alu. 60' yacht-"Eight Bells"
Posts: 2,731
Images: 57
Send a message via Skype™ to sinbad7
Re: MISSING 75´s.y. LADY DOMINA

Wreckage has been found by the French Coast Guard on the 30th April.
Only one photo can be identified as boat wreckage,a piece of the grp hull.
I wonder if anyone could notice any difference in the grp layup between a
factory and a self constructed hull? I presume the missing French yacht
was a standard factory construction,whereas Lady Domina was self constructed.

The wreckage location,as indicated on the attached OCPN map also tallies with
the EPIRB rapports received from the French yacht and the prevailing wind at the time.

Tore
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Picture 2013-05-12 11_01_31.png
Views:	288
Size:	105.9 KB
ID:	60722   Click image for larger version

Name:	hull wreckage.JPG
Views:	265
Size:	96.3 KB
ID:	60723  

__________________
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by."
sinbad7 is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:37.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.