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Old 03-12-2019, 18:26   #1336
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Here's an article on her arrival: https://time.com/5743092/greta-thunb...climate-talks/


She states: “I am not traveling like this because I want everyone to do so,” said Thunberg. “I’m doing this to sort of send the message that it is impossible to live sustainable today, and that needs to change. It needs to become much easier.”
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ofc . . . I was referring to Nikki.
Ahhhh....got it.....no doubt!
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Old 03-12-2019, 21:02   #1339
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I would be tempted to start a thread on the expected future impact of climate change on cruising, including likely changes to cruising routes, seasons, forecasting, insurance, popular destinations etc etc. However, I'm sure it would be quickly hijacked by the small number of posters here who, for reasons only known to them, disagree with the science.
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News in the morning, ABC Darwin:

'Greta has arrived to Lisbon on a solar powered yacht...'

And that's how you believe to the media.
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Sloppy reporting unless they were acknowledging that the sun drives all weather on earth....
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I would be tempted to start a thread on the expected future impact of climate change on cruising, including likely changes to cruising routes, seasons, forecasting, insurance, popular destinations etc etc. However, I'm sure it would be quickly hijacked by the small number of posters here who, for reasons only known to them, disagree with the science.
It's already been done, not that long ago, and it was started with almost the exact same theme you describe. It shouldn't be hard to find but you'll need several days to get through it. It got hijacked all right, but the hijackers certainly weren't limited to those who disagree or even question the science or parts thereof. I'd say if you're uncomfortable having your views challenged on this particular topic, or any other for that matter, look somewhere other than CF.

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Sloppy reporting unless they were acknowledging that the sun drives all weather on earth....
Uh-Oh . . . so long as they weren't acknowledging that the sun drives all weather the climate on earth. That's the sort of 'denialist' blasphemy that is definitely not to be tolerated!
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Here's an article on her arrival: https://time.com/5743092/greta-thunb...climate-talks/


She states: “I am not traveling like this because I want everyone to do so,” said Thunberg. “I’m doing this to sort of send the message that it is impossible to live sustainable today, and that needs to change. It needs to become much easier.”
Does she have any concrete proposals to present at the conference on how the adults are supposed to stop making her (and other kids) angry by fulfilling her vision of 'sustainability'? Nothing in the article speaks to that and I honestly don't know.
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I'm relieved that someone else picked up on all the ironies & contradictions (right words?) in Hartings' post.


‘Ironies’ and ‘contradictions’ are indeed words so well done on that score, whether you are using them correctly is a more moot point. I assume you are not a native English speaker so I will forgive you.
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

People, could we please not slide back into that whole CC thing again? We almost ruined this thread once already.



If you want to discuss CC and sailing, please start a separate thread on it.
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except for the picky linguistic point that she is not "here" . . . . I have no problem with that.

There is a very small handful of posters here who have experience and skillsets in her ballpark and (I believe) all of them have indicated respect for what she accomplished. It was a well-executed voyage, which was, as I mentioned above, outside the comfort zone and experience base of all but one on board. That is not a dis on anyone - I expect they would all agree, it's just very objectively how it was at the start of this voyage.

I'm not sure we're talking about an extraordinary skill set, compared to that of a fair number of actual ocean sailors around here on CF, but I don't think anyone could deny that the voyage was very well executed and successful in just about every nautical way, something any of us would be proud to have done. Starting out with a decent boat in decent condition is a good start, then add a decent helping of good luck, and a couple of not hopeless crew members, but 90% of the result in a case like this is down to the skipper, who manages all of this, pulls it all together, keeps the crew inspired and working, makes the right decisions day in and day out. Having non-sailing passengers on board makes it even much more challenging for the skipper since you have to be constantly thinking about whether they are getting frightened or uncomfortable or seasick or hungry, or in the way. Then you've got the glare of publicity, a dozen Go Pros rigged up watching your every move, just wait for it all to be published. My hat is truly off to Nikki; obviously did a great job.
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. Then you've got the glare of publicity, a dozen Go Pros rigged up watching your every move, just wait for it all to be published. My hat is truly off to Nikki; obviously did a great job.
This. I can't even imagine living in such a way. For me, it would ruin sailing and life itself. I realize there are some mild financial benefits to doing so, but the price you pay to make content day in and day out is way too much to justify all the extra work.

Definitely not financially worth the work in my opinion.
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This link is worth a read. https://translate.google.com/transla...n/&prev=search

It's gives some interesting background info to the trip.....

++ for Nikki Henderson, who did exactly what she was expected to do.

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Listening to Greta's speech in Lisbon I was impressed. Poised yet humble. She's clearly not a narcissistic attention seeker and is not some puppet being manipulated by adults in the background.

"I don't have much to say, just that we are facing a global emergency and we need to see it from a holistic point of view and we need to do everything we can. We need to work together to make sure we secure future living conditions for humankind and that we fight for not only ourselves but for our children and for our grand children and for every single living being on earth and everyone has to do everything they can in order to make sure they are on the right side of history..."

Sounds reasonable to me.
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Why so many children? Way over replacement levels and your children may well not be done yet. Too much skin in the game. Population is our biggest problem. Everything else is a symptom.



Mostly agree. I'd say he didn't get soft, he never hardened up. Perhaps that's why he needed/wanted/was required to have a pro skipper on board.

Conventional wisdom often takes quite a while to catch up with reality. Modern boats (say the last few decades) generally make a close reach the most pleasant point of sail, especially in warm regions. Too many cut and paste sailors reading advice they don't understand and applying it out of context.

Which does lead to the question: how do you heat a boat in cold climates effectively without fossil fuels?

Still waiting for an 8 kW nuclear generator for around $12kUS.



Business decision. Good decision, poor logistics. With all the satellite comms on that boat there should have been no problem regardless of timing. I expect the press insisted on good light - oh and not to have to get up too early and interrupt their morning latte. Coming in on a favorable tide and sailing to the dock would have been on message but would it count if no one was there to see?
How is 3 children 'so many'?
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