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Old 01-12-2019, 13:02   #1066
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Exactly.



I don't blame Greta, I blame the ones who simply want to make money off her obvious innocence like Al Gore and the "Carbon Offset" bullsh*t.

Total sham and he lives in a huge mansion.

Rules are for little people remember.

Meanwhile the price of electricity goes up and up! And they make illegal to heat your house with wood because CFC's yet that tree will fall and rot one day releasing the same amount of CFC's.

Do they even understand their own BS?

They can't.

Global warming has been happening off and on for as long as the Earth has existed.

This is not an opinion, nor politics, its frickin' science!


And science doesn’t agree with your thoughts
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Too bad Orwell is gone. It could be a new best seller.
you dont need orwell ,, that sort of tripe is regurgitated in right wing reactionary denialist press on a regular basis
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it really does not matter what we do. As long as we pump out babies at this rate sooner or later we will run into another wall. Not a politician on the planet has the guts to say anything about this aspect.
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in fairness to activists (and the elephant in the room),which is global population that is unsustainable,climate inbalance is just a byproduct.
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it really does not matter what we do. As long as we pump out babies at this rate sooner or later we will run into another wall. Not a politician on the planet has the guts to say anything about this aspect.
Which few want to talk about. @Breaking Wave's plea to avoid politics in this thread is simply unreasonable when the entire purpose of the passage is political.

When you look at resources on this planet the only life form of which there is no shortage is people, yet very few are willing to talk about that. There should be a test before reproducing.
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I thought this thread was excellent, thanks to the OP and I salute the LV crew (especially the youtubers) for their excellent insights on how to become (I presume) excellent sailors. And getting paid for it too.


Two final words if I may be permitted. Firstly in response to the hypocrisy language heard elsewhere: the only way to be absolutely not a hypocrite is not to have any values. Personally, I have decided to for example not fly to my boat and take the train to wherever she is in Europe. And when my old car finally broke down the other day, I decided to not get another one. Mainly to do my bit for the climate. When I speak about this it is almost inevitable to not be asked "But your boat has an engine right?" Well yes, so I am a hypocrite I guess. And we would all be hypocrites if we tried to reduce our CO2 footprint a bit, or a lot even. I am not that concerned about Greta's CO2 footprint, she is fighting a war to bring peace, I support her all the way. Although I do agree that fighting for peace is a pretty screwed up concept.


Secondly, worthwhile to not forget the steps to disaster, with a span of about 5 decades:
1. Climate change is fake
2. Climate change is real but not caused by man
3. Climate change is real and probably caused by man
4. Climate change is real, caused by man and hard to reverse
5. Climate change is real. And it is too late.
We have almost arrived at step 5. Better get Greta to Madrid asap.
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I thought this thread was excellent, thanks to the OP and I salute the LV crew (especially the youtubers) for their excellent insights on how to become (I presume) excellent sailors. And getting paid for it too.


Two final words if I may be permitted. Firstly in response to the hypocrisy language heard elsewhere: the only way to be absolutely not a hypocrite is not to have any values. Personally, I have decided to for example not fly to my boat and take the train to wherever she is in Europe. And when my old car finally broke down the other day, I decided to not get another one. Mainly to do my bit for the climate. When I speak about this it is almost inevitable to not be asked "But your boat has an engine right?" Well yes, so I am a hypocrite I guess. And we would all be hypocrites if we tried to reduce our CO2 footprint a bit, or a lot even. I am not that concerned about Greta's CO2 footprint, she is fighting a war to bring peace, I support her all the way. Although I do agree that fighting for peace is a pretty screwed up concept.


Secondly, worthwhile to not forget the steps to disaster, with a span of about 5 decades:
1. Climate change is fake
2. Climate change is real but not caused by man
3. Climate change is real and probably caused by man
4. Climate change is real, caused by man and hard to reverse
5. Climate change is real. And it is too late.
We have almost arrived at step 5. Better get Greta to Madrid asap.

RE your last sentence: why?
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RE your last sentence: why?
It was meant to symbolize: let's start listening carefully to what is being said and let's start finding solutions.
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Secondly, worthwhile to not forget the steps to disaster, with a span of about 5 decades:
1. Climate change is fake
2. Climate change is real but not caused by man
3. Climate change is real and probably caused by man
4. Climate change is real, caused by man and hard to reverse
5. Climate change is real. And it is too late.
We have almost arrived at step 5. Better get Greta to Madrid asap.
6. Climate change is real. The human role is likely significant. It may not be too late but the socioeconomic/political remedies being proposed have time & again proven themselves worse for humankind than the forecasted environmental harm.

From one of GT's (and others) latest pronouncements:

"That action must be powerful and wide-ranging. After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities."

https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-et-al-2019-11

Talk about alienating a huge segment of the population that are otherwise sympathetic to the environmental issue but don't want to have anything to do with the extreme politics that seems to be required to be "subscribed." I'll stick with more rational subscriptions thanks.
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And now
A brief interlude yet possible remedy for the woke woes of our world...[emoji4]

https://youtu.be/M29Cf-NxtEA
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What a shame.

"British yacht skipper, 26, wiped out the carbon emissions saved by Greta Thunberg's sail across the Atlantic by flying out to the US to help her"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Atlantic.html



Thanks, I asked about that several pages ago and there was a resounding silence at the time.
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i think most people recorgnise that if the girl is wrong then it does not matter
It matters a great deal when politicians listen to her ill informed rants and destroy economies.
It matters a great deal when XR types listen to her and disrupt the lives of Joe Public.
It matters a great deal when kids listen to her and suffer from all sorts of mental problems as a result.
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It matters a great deal when politicians listen to her ill informed rants and destroy economies.
It matters a great deal when XR types listen to her and disrupt the lives of Joe Public.
It matters a great deal when kids listen to her and suffer from all sorts of mental problems as a result.


Ah, your an oil man and afraid it may affect your pocketbook? That is the main reason for the disbelief? $$$$$$$$$?
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“There should be a test before reproducing.“

...easy there, Audacious. I am Austrian - & we have been along this road, fortunate for me before my time
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Our friends apparently have reefed down for the night, maintaining a rather modest boat speed of 7.6 knots, now on a ESE'erly direction (2316 GMT Sunday 1 December).
It appears that they are heading upstream the Tagus river, all the way up to Lisbon city center - ref the following tweet from Greta Thunberg:

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Day 18. We’re speeding towards Europe! Estimated time of arrival right now is Tuesday morning. We’ll be arriving at Doca de Alcantara, Lisbon. We are all looking forward to see you there!
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I thought this thread was excellent, thanks to the OP
My pleasure. Was fun and interesting and I learned a few things, could not ask for much more.

There has been a lot of pent up forum energy and the 500 mb charts had long been forecasting a bit of a political posting explosion as the voyage ended so, I fully expected this. I was just grateful that by and large it did not derail the thread during the voyage.
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