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Old 23-11-2019, 03:25   #526
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Stil the middle of the night for them and winds have fallen considerably , but still showing 7 knots of speed in 12 knots of wind , I gues the sea state is somewhat smoother than previously . Looks like some period of relative calm ness for a while
Latest update at 1050 GMT showing boat speed SOG of 5,1 knots only. I calculated that their VMG (towards Lisbon) during the past 14 hours (from 2050 GMT last night 22 Nov) was 6,9 knots.
Straight rhumb line distance to go to Cascais roads at 1050 GMT is 1880 n.m.
600 n.m. further south Tropical Storm SEBASTIEN is fortunately on a steady ENE course towards the Azores, also fortunately with a much higher velocity than our friends in LA VAGABONDE
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as of 11 am gmt , prob around 5 ish with them , now headed due N,, prob seeking out a bit more wind
correction ,,, around 7 am,, sun about to come up , course 6deg
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fairly somber realistic atmosphere , look well geared up for the voyage
Yeah, somber and realistic it appears!
I also find it noteworthy that it is Eilayna who most frequently handles the helm and the throttles of the cat during docking and un-docking maneuvers.
This is in my view a clear sign of sound cooperation in that shipboard
I'm quite convinced, that not only when the going gets tough, Nikki and Riley are not the only valuable crew resources on LA VAGABONDE
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Norway has committed to converting all of their ferries to electric propulsion. I don't know the time frame and what the impact of a recent fire on one of the ferries is but they are headed in that direction.

There is also a ferry running between Denmark and Sweden that is propelled entirely by battery power.
Would oil be close to Norway's biggest exports and still have a whaling industry or am I behind the times of this capitalist country.
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Yeah, somber and realistic it appears!
I also find it noteworthy that it is Eilayna who most frequently handles the helm and the throttles of the cat during docking and un-docking maneuvers.
This is in my view a clear sign of sound cooperation in that shipboard
I'm quite convinced, that not only when the going gets tough, Nikki and Riley are not the only valuable crew resources on LA VAGABONDE
i noticed that myself ,, with the baby in its sling ( whatever it is called ) i thot that quite significant ,,,, i was going to mention it but i thot everyone would consider it trivia !!!
i see , ( as from 12 gmt ) they are now more easting , be daylight with them now
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Would oil be close to Norway's biggest exports and still have a whaling industry or am I behind the times of this capitalist country.
Norway have secured a positive financial future with careful use of their oil revenues ,, something which few other countries have done ,,, regards whales ,, they may have , the bast***s .
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routings - green was yesterday's and brown new update (black circles my penciled in personal suggestions from yesterday)

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They sailed more easterly (less northeasterly) than yesterday's routing suggested (you can see the boat icon well under the green routing line). They made 35nm more good to Lisbon than the routing but have sailed into lighter wind and are now going more slowly. They just turned to a NNE course to try to find more wind, I guess that turn happened when the latest model run came out (1hr 19 minutes ago ).

Its a bit of a tug of war - miles made good and staying low, or more wind and speed by going high. This is something the French racers have down to a very fine art. I would have gone a bit more north than they did last night.

same outlook as yesterday: small frontal passage on the 24th, which staying low will minimize, light winds in ridge between two lows on 25th, bigger frontal passage on the 26th which they basically cannot avoid - neither of these fronts is any sort of problem to handle.

ETA to Lison is still dec 6th.
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Would oil be close to Norway's biggest exports and still have a whaling industry or am I behind the times of this capitalist country.
Whaling is trivial. Merely a way to show national independency to "fremlings". Fishing and fish farming are BIG..
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Whaling is trivial. Merely a way to show national independency to "fremlings". Fishing and fish farming are BIG..
some serious issues regarding their fish farming, and secrecy ,, some reports it as the most toxic fish farmed anywhere in the world and proper investigations are not permitted.
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routings - green was yesterday's and brown new update (black circles my penciled in personal suggestions from yesterday)

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They sailed more easterly (less northeasterly) than yesterday's routing suggested (you can see the boat icon well under the green routing line). They made 35nm more good to Lisbon than the routing but have sailed into lighter wind and are now going more slowly. They just turned to a NNE course to try to find more wind, I guess that turn happened when the latest model run came out (1hr 19 minutes ago ).

Its a bit of a tug of war - miles made good and staying low, or more wind and speed by going high. This is something the French racers have down to a very fine art.

ETA to Lison is still dec 6th.
That may also be local wind shift forced them to do but yes, they are a bit too south. Looks anyway they get more wind in the evening. There's high closing them sunday monday night and a bit more north would be better winds.
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some serious issues regarding their fish farming, and secrecy ,, some reports it as the most toxic fish farmed anywhere in the world and proper investigations are not permitted.
Dunno what's preventing anyone to investigate, just go and buy some farmed salmon. It's for sale everywhere. OT thou..
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

OK, let's talk about weather too Here are four forecast maps to give a feel for the uncertainty of models, especially when it comes to TS Sebastien.

The four model runs are all from the Predictwind website. In order: GFS, ECMWF, PWE and PWG. The green dot is the approximate location of the boat noon GMT Saturday. The forecast is for 48 hours out, noon GMT Monday. Barbs are 2deg by 2deg.
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Seems that some member's posts are WAY off topic again...
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does it seem that they will try to catch the bottom of that newfoundland low before it moves away again and then nxt day or so catch the bottom of that northerly high ?? maybe thats a plan
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OK, let's talk about weather too Here are four forecast maps to give a feel for the uncertainty of models, especially when it comes to TS Sebastien.

The four model runs are all from the Predictwind website. In order: GFS, ECMWF, PWE and PWG. The green dot is the approximate location of the boat noon GMT Saturday. The forecast is for 48 hours out, noon GMT Monday. Barbs are 2deg by 2deg.
The 'cone' (track uncertainty) for Sebastien is pretty small. It is being steered by strong high pressure, and we mostly know where it will go.

The unknown atm is when and how it will disappear - will it just melt away, or sit there for a while or fold into one of the northern lows.

Fortunately for this thread, the track is far enough away from the vessel routing to not cause immediate concern almost no matter how it fades away.

But these systems can do very odd and unforecast things . . . a comment I made upthread caused me to remember my experience with Hurricane Lenny, it tracked west to east in the tropics, which the forecasters every day said was basically impossible and that it would turn north shortly, and yet it never did just kept going 'the wrong way'.
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