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Old 27-10-2016, 14:35   #46
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Re: How late in the year can you sail south out of Canada?

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If you find anything on Lake Champlain ( Vermont and New York ) and would like someone to stop by to take some pics or otherwise take a closer look, feel free to PM me. Would be happy to take a look for you.
If you find anything around eastern Lake Ontario, I'd be happy to take a look for you, and send you a few hundred pictures. Lots of boats for sale here, very low prices, and Canadian dollars too!

With the first snow of the season today, and generally nasty weather, anything for sale just had a big price drop.

Did you ever mention what exactly you are looking for, and your budget?
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Pete & hamburking,

Thanks so much for the generous offers.

I have been looking at vessels in the 38 to 44 feet or so range, + or - a little either way may work (depends on the layout). Would like 2 cabins but 1 head is fine. There are 3 of us.

Budget could go as high as $100,000 US but $90,000 would be better. That would be total price, purchase plus some refit. Using the 25 to 30% rule most talk about on here I would say purchase should be in the $60K to $70K range.

Been on Yachtworld a little tonite, GL area both US & Canada. Seems to be some nice, always freshwater boats available in the mid 50s and up.

Question: One ad mentioned "big price drop due to winter" (probably shouldn't have used quotes as I not sure that is exact). Are ALL boats taken out of the water during the winter? I guess I should ask the proper question to get the answer: Sailing out is simply not possible, I get that part, but is it even possible to get a survey during the winter since some are still trying to sell?
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Re: How late in the year can you sail south out of Canada?

Not all boats are out of the water in winter. At my marina, more and more are staying in as the marina uses a bubbling system to keep the ice out of the docks. There are a couple in the Toronto area doing the same thing but most people haul out.

Getting a survey during winter is possible for some boats, not for others. Some who are seriously trying to sell and have the facilities, will be indoors for the winter allowing any potential buyer to view and survey, if need be. Most are shrink wrapped outside however, with plumbing as well as engine, winterized. Some will have their masts down if they haul using a crane vs a travellift. Makes it easy for inspecting the rig. Last year there was virtually no snow, this year may be different, so there are variables.

Here are some brokers in the Lake Ontario and Lake Champlain area that may or may not have everything up on Yachtworld.


Listings at Harris & Ellis Yachts

Yacht Brokerage & Sales Canada | Beneteau & Lagoon Dealer Ontario

Swans Yacht Sales

Toronto Yachts for Sale, New & Used Boat Sales, Powerboats & Sailboats - Toronto Yacht Sales

Bruce Hill Yacht Sales, Inc. (Shelburne, VT)

Boats R Fun (Willsboro, NY)

http://www.patsturgeonyachts.com

Boats For Sale - Navy Point Yacht Sales

North South Yacht Sales | Certified Professional Yacht Brokerage - Ontario, Canada

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RCR Yachts | Dealer for Sailboats and Power Boats, Parts, Services, Financing
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Question: One ad mentioned "big price drop due to winter" (probably shouldn't have used quotes as I not sure that is exact). Are ALL boats taken out of the water during the winter? I guess I should ask the proper question to get the answer: Sailing out is simply not possible, I get that part, but is it even possible to get a survey during the winter since some are still trying to sell?
Simply put, ALL BOATS here are hauled out for winter. Yes, there are some exceptions, like steel hulled brigantines, ferries that operate all winter, etc. But in general the water becomes a solid. A punishing, grinding, shifting, damaging solid. We call it ICE. A few crazies use bubblers, but they are rare. Larger vessels, too big to haul, might use bubblers to protect the rudder and prop.

Winter is also a great time to get a survey. The boat is on the hard, and usually empty of all gear, so best time to get into all the lockers and really see the boat. The hull, through hull fittings, prop, shaft, strut, are all easily accessible.

BUT, once winterized, no one is going to start their engine for you, and a sea trial is out of the question.

It expensive to keep a boat over the winter...my little boat was around $1000 for storage on the hard at my harbour. Plus there are launch fees. Plus there is all the work and expense of spring commissioning....not the least of which is preparing and painting the bottom. You can easily spend hundreds on just the bottom paint and supplies. And for me, my annual insurance premium comes due over the winter too.

So, yes, there is a BIG incentive to sell in the fall.
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Re: How late in the year can you sail south out of Canada?

Not all boats are out of the water in winter. At my marina, more and more are staying in as the marina uses a bubbling system to keep the ice out of the docks. There are a couple in the Toronto area doing the same thing but the majority of people haul out.

Getting a survey during winter is possible for some boats, not for others. Some who are seriously trying to sell and have the facilities, will be indoors for the winter allowing any potential buyer to view and survey, if need be. Most are shrink wrapped outside however, with plumbing as well as engine, winterized. Some will have their masts down if they haul using a crane vs a travellift. Makes it easy for inspecting the rig. However, with temps below freezing, getting accurate moisture readings will be impossible. This alone would put me off till spring and most surveyors will say the same. Last year there was virtually no snow with many days above freezing, this year may be different, so there are variables.

If you do find something and it gets to the point where you want a survey, research your surveyor from an accredited source or reach out for a recommendation. There are many up here who hang their shingle after doing a simple internet course and are not worthy of your money. There are also some very excellent surveyors. Night and Day.

I tried to supply some links to local area brokers but the forum couldn't handle all the external links. So google the following:



Harris and Ellis Yachts

Pat Sturgeon Yachts

Swans Yacht Sales

Anchor Yacht Sales

RCR Yachts

Toronto Yacht Sales

Navy Point Yacht Sales

North South Yacht Sales

For Lake Champlain Area, look at Bruce Hill Yacht sales and Boats R Fun.
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Here are some brokers in the Lake Ontario and Lake Champlain area that may or may not have everything up on Yachtworld.
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However, I am a fan of private sales. For this, KIJIJI is a great place to start. Also, the web pages of the yacht clubs and marinas.

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How late in the year can you sail south out of Canada?

Correct me if I am wrong----- but

If you survey a boat that has been out of the water, you will not know if the bottom has blisters until it is yours. Likewise some folks pull the mast for the winter.

Regarding stuff in the lockers, either you or the owner should clear the lockers so the surveyor can see through hulls, bulkheads, etc. Not that the seller would look to hide anything
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Re: How late in the year can you sail south out of Canada?

Good info everyone, including another FL hangout (like me), Snore.

I will keep the search up and I appreciate the links. I like private sales as well but sometimes what you see, like and want is already with a broker. I'm trying to turn over every stone.
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