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29-03-2018, 00:12
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Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
Hello everyone, I have quite a daunting task ahead of me and I was wondering if anyone could lend a hand.
I have quite a large fishing boat that will be departing from the Faroe Islands and transit past Greenland, Newfoundland, east coast of US, Caribbean, Panama, up the west coast of US and berth in Vancouver BC Canada.
Heres the rub, they would like electronic charts for the entire trip preferably S57. US Coast charts are easy enough to acquire and I have Canadian charts, the issue is Panama, Mexico and the North Sea charts.
Money is not an issue, however, time is. If there are charts out there I could buy, that would be great, if there is a downloadable source, that's even better.
Thanks so much in advance and I look forward to any help I can get!
Alex
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29-03-2018, 01:04
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Registered User
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
I have sailed the entire east coast of Canada, the US, the Caribbean, Panama and much of the US west coast using Navionics.
However if you can get a download of CM93 for Open CPN you will have it all.
Accuracy is 95%
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29-03-2018, 03:04
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Senior Cruiser
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
I would recommend the Nimble Nav program with CM93 Charts.. the rub is I dont know how long it would take Mike to get the USB Dongle out to you..
He is most likely in SXM at the moment.. he does the Atlantic circle every year.
Search Nimble Navigator and send him an email.. cost is around $125 plus mailing.. he may even have developed a downloadable program.
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29-03-2018, 03:32
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
Don't know how user-friendly they are, but they'll have the charts:
https://www.admiralty.co.uk/charts
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29-03-2018, 03:55
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
I only have experience with the Admiralty Digital Charts (Admiralty Vector Chart Service).
Charts are supplied on a DVD, and you then purchase a license/permit to unlock the charts you need. Advantage is that the permits can be bought to cover a limited period, the shortest being 3 months.
If you have sat comms on board, this makes it much easier.
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29-03-2018, 05:24
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
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Originally Posted by CraftyMyner
Hello everyone, I have quite a daunting task ahead of me and I was wondering if anyone could lend a hand.
I have quite a large fishing boat that will be departing from the Faroe Islands and transit past Greenland, Newfoundland, east coast of US, Caribbean, Panama, up the west coast of US and berth in Vancouver BC Canada.
Heres the rub, they would like electronic charts for the entire trip preferably S57. US Coast charts are easy enough to acquire and I have Canadian charts, the issue is Panama, Mexico and the North Sea charts.
Money is not an issue, however, time is. If there are charts out there I could buy, that would be great, if there is a downloadable source, that's even better.
Thanks so much in advance and I look forward to any help I can get!
Alex
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The North Sea is not on that route
Whoever is navigating this passage -- I'm guessing not you, from the North Sea remark -- will surely understand how to get the necessary cartography. If you're using recreational-type plotters then as someone mentioned you can buy a few Navionics chips which will cover everything. If you have a commercial type ECDIS, then you can rent the S57 cartography -- your navigator or master will know how to get it. Here's one source: ENC/S57 charts for ECDIS and ECS. The Danish Hydrographic Office can fix you up with ENC's for Faroes, Iceland, and Greenland.
You will save about 3/4 of the mileage (and fuel) by going through the NW Passage rather than all the way down to Panama and all the way back up. Possible most years nowadays for larger motor vessels. Taking an experienced NW Passage pilot will cost a fraction of the fuel you will save.
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29-03-2018, 11:53
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
Try Isla Morada Chart sure in Panama they have all the current and see older charts as well.
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29-03-2018, 12:07
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Montreal
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
I would go with downloading and installing iSailor on an iPad / iPad Pro.
This will make a great MFD. Use the cellular version to use iPad internal GPS or connect to an external GPS Bluetooth or wifi for the non cellular model.
iSailor is developed by Transas and provides world wide vector nautical charts. Transas being a major actor in providing ENC charts to pro commercial mariners ECDIS systems, accuracy of those charts in freighter navigation waters is excellent.
Transas - Charts and Data Services
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29-03-2018, 14:19
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SW Florida
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
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Originally Posted by s/v Moondancer
I have sailed the entire east coast of Canada, the US, the Caribbean, Panama and much of the US west coast using Navionics.
However if you can get a download of CM93 for Open CPN you will have it all.
Accuracy is 95%
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I have located and downloaded the CM93 files but it's not clear to me how to make them accessible to Open CPN. Can someone here explain that to me?
Thanks in advance.
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29-03-2018, 14:34
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#10
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
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Originally Posted by wayne.b
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I have located and downloaded the CM93 files but it's not clear to me how to make them accessible to Open CPN. Can someone here explain that to me?
Thanks in advance.
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CM93 charts are great for study and preliminary passage planning, but don't rely on them for navigation. They are something like 13 years out of date by now.
How to use them is explained very clearly in the OpenCPN manual.
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"You sea! I resign myself to you also . . . . I guess what you mean,
I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
I believe you refuse to go back without feeling of me;
We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
Walt Whitman
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30-03-2018, 08:01
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#11
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
You will save about 3/4 of the mileage (and fuel) by going through the NW Passage rather than all the way down to Panama and all the way back up. Possible
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That doesn't seem right. Maybe knock 20% off the distance; certainly not 75%.
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30-03-2018, 08:14
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
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Originally Posted by Lodesman
That doesn't seem right. Maybe knock 20% off the distance; certainly not 75%.
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From Faroe Islands?
I'll check it in O.
Edit: Lodesman (as usual) is right. I didn't imagine how far you have to go around Alaska. Going by NW Passage is about 6 000 miles; via Panama Canal about 9 000 miles. 33% off the distance -- so a lot closer to Lodesman's guess.
Either way, it's a fur piece!
Interestingly, the Northern Sea Route looks to be about the same distance as NW Passage.
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"You sea! I resign myself to you also . . . . I guess what you mean,
I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
I believe you refuse to go back without feeling of me;
We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
Walt Whitman
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30-03-2018, 08:46
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
A bit rough and ready but 10000 miles by Panama and 4000 miles by the NWP, if you can get through the ice. Would be a great adventure though.
Pete
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30-03-2018, 09:01
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
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Originally Posted by Pete7
A bit rough and ready but 10000 miles by Panama and 4000 miles by the NWP, if you can get through the ice. Would be a great adventure though.
Pete
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It would be shorter if you could go over the top of Greenland, but AFAIK the ice there never breaks up -- you have to go South around. I believe that Greenland has never been circumnavigated, not even by an icebreaker.
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"You sea! I resign myself to you also . . . . I guess what you mean,
I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
I believe you refuse to go back without feeling of me;
We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
Walt Whitman
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30-03-2018, 10:07
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#15
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Registered User
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Re: Faroe Islands to Vancouver Canada VIA Panama
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete7
A bit rough and ready but 10000 miles by Panama and 4000 miles by the NWP, if you can get through the ice. Would be a great adventure though.
Pete
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More than a bit rough - using GCs to the Aleutians, some 1600 miles from Vancouver.
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