Cruisers Forum
 

Go Back   Cruisers & Sailing Forums > Seamanship, Navigation & Boat Handling > Navigation
Cruiser Wiki Click Here to Login
Register Vendors FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Log in

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-11-2010, 04:53   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Boat: Newport 28 MKII
Posts: 359
Boat Lost After Hitting Submerged ICW Marker Post

Quote:
It's a cool and blustery October day on the Alligator-Pungo River portion of the ICW in North Carolina . Captain Ralph Robinson feels a bump, and a vibration that felt sort of like a grounding, but nothing serious. The boat tips to starboard, and then turns to port, just as the port engine goes to maximum rpms, and almost instantly all three bilge pump lights, and high water alarms come on as well. He jumps up from the helm, runs to the aft of the bridge, looks down at the swim platform, and sees water just starting to come over it. The boat is already now 12” lower in the water, and he instantly realizes they are sinking.
For the rest of the story go to: Does this surprise any of you?



Steve W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 05:09   #2
Registered User
 
mbianka's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,144
Images: 1
Certainly a cautionary tale with a lot of lessons learned. Though I do question the wisdom of traveling along at 22 knots in the Intercoastal Waterway. Just because the boat can does not mean that it should. Seems like that was well over "safe speed" especially when there was some confusion about the missing marker.
__________________
Mike
mbianka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 05:12   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,618
Images: 2
pirate

From personal experience in that region... No.. its no surprise..
__________________


You can't beat a people up (for 75yrs+) and have them say..
"I Love You.. ". Murray Roman.
Yet the 'useful idiots' of the West still dance to the beat of the drums.
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 05:26   #4
Registered User
 
PamlicoTraveler's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Depends
Boat: Cabo Rico
Posts: 770
Images: 17
Amazing story. The Alligator River / Pungo has debris, but you'd never expect a missing marker 2 feet below he water. I don't think it sounds like the captain is to blame for anything. If he had been going 7 knots it still might have sunk the boat.
PamlicoTraveler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 05:31   #5
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,822
Images: 25
Years ago, wern't it?

Written for the dramatic.

Look being on a boat is more dangerous than sitting at home in front of the Simpsons.

Its not like they were at sea where no one would come rescue them for a few days. the skipper wasted 20 mins ringing for help than getting the cold man ashore and warm.
__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 05:53   #6
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hudson Force's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Lived aboard & cruised for 45 years,- now on a chair in my walk-in closet.
Boat: Morgan OI 413 1973 - Aythya
Posts: 8,466
Images: 1
We happened to have been cruising southbound on the ICW and passed this same location two days after the event described above. By that time there had been repeated warnings on the VHF concerning the submerged and dangerous piling. It is not my intent to assign any blame or responsibility for the loss, but it is worthy to note that this passage of the ICW in the Pungo River is wide and has well spread red and green markers at regular intervals. With good visibility as well as electronic charts there would be no reason for anyone to run over the location where a marker was missing. During the forty years that we have been transitting the US East Coast ICW we have often seen damaged or missing markers. Sometimes these markers are found floating or floundering far from their original position, but if they are not seen, it's always a likelyhood that the submerged portion of the piling would be in it's original position. Markers are always indicating a position to avoid wether we see them directly; infer their location by parallax and the relative positions of other markers; or indentify their location by electronic aides.
__________________
Take care and joy, Aythya crew
Hudson Force is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 06:16   #7
Registered User
 
sailvayu's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Fort Myers FL
Boat: Irwin 40
Posts: 878
I did some work on this boat for the new owner who bought it as insurance salvage. The the boat was a mess the the piling they hit (at speed by the way) was steel and pushed the port engine through the salon floor and almost to the overhead as the boat went down. Ruptured a full fuel tank as well oil everywhere. A 10' long by 18" wide gash was put in the port bottom. A shame it was a pretty boat at one time. It has gone back to the UK for complete repairs.
__________________
Capt. Wayne Canning, AMS
www.projectboat.info
https://sailvayu.com/
sailvayu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 07:02   #8
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,822
Images: 25
How long ago was it?
__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 07:20   #9
Registered User
 
sailvayu's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Fort Myers FL
Boat: Irwin 40
Posts: 878
I think it sank in 2006 or 2007 not sure exactly i got involved in 2008
__________________
Capt. Wayne Canning, AMS
www.projectboat.info
https://sailvayu.com/
sailvayu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 07:23   #10
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,942
Images: 54
Here's a link to the original version, with photos. One of the comments on the blog seems to indicate it happened "a couple of years ago", which would suggest 2008.

The Marine Installer's Rant: One hundred and twenty seconds
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 08:46   #11
CF Adviser
 
Pelagic's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 10,280
To me, this is a cautionary tale that highlights a few important reminders, which I am sure the skipper has already considered.

  1. Always have an abandon ship bag ready and available as one crew member almost drowned trying to salvage essentials.
  2. Emphasizes the dangers of “connecting the dots” type of electronic charting, where the operator, trying to be efficient, does not employ proper course offsets from “assumed” marker positions, so as to allow for navigational errors.
  3. Relying on only one navigational aid to stay in safe water, instead of confirming with radar parallel indexing, mid channel position, independent of any GPS glitches.
  4. Maintaining a proper navigational lookout so that the missing marker should have been searched for, long before they were abeam (or on top of).
  5. Safe Speed: while 22knts is not excessive, when a known marker is missing, you slow down and confirm your position.
While we all love our push button navionics, forgetting or not learning the basic navigation and seamanship rules only makes Murphy smile and we go ...
Pelagic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 11:15   #12
Registered User
 
SvenG's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: East Coast
Boat: 382 Diesel Duck
Posts: 1,176
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ View Post
Look being on a boat is more dangerous than sitting at home in front of the Simpsons.
Depends on what you value and thereby your definition of dangerous.



-Sven
__________________
Shiplet
2007 Diesel Duck 382
SvenG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 13:27   #13
Registered User
 
rebel heart's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,185
Images: 3
12" gash 10' long: nothing good is going to come from that.
rebel heart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 14:21   #14
cruiser

Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,167
Love my steel hull! No worries about things like that.
Brent Swain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 14:23   #15
Registered User
 
Vasco's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore"
Posts: 7,557
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Swain View Post
Love my steel hull! No worries about things like that.
Just like the Titanic.
__________________
Rick I
Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
Vasco is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anchor Marker hummingway Seamanship & Boat Handling 15 30-05-2010 02:29
Best ICW Chartbook Beyond Mile Marker 1095? endoftheroad Navigation 1 06-01-2010 11:02
Submerged Outboard - Fix Myself? theonecalledtom Auxiliary Equipment & Dinghy 18 09-12-2009 22:03
Submerged Sailboat? Sailnoob Construction, Maintenance & Refit 14 09-10-2009 07:48

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:49.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.