Thank you for all of the replies. Firstly, I put in the order for the FX-37, so it's on the way and should arrive in a fortnight assuming WM have it in stock...
Originally Posted by Zydeco
Yeah, if your boat is configured such that storing it on the bow or stern rails doesn't work then that's going to be a problem. On our boat, the FX-37 stores easily hanging on the outside of the stern rail with the stock hanging down below deck
level and secured with a bungee cord up against a roller.
As others have mentioned, they store well in a bag. Harder for scoundrels to make off with it in the night too.....
When I get it - I'll assemble and have a look for opportunities on the rails, but I think chances are pretty slim. It would have been really nice to have it ready to go on the rails though!
With anchors size matters.
The Fortress is great second anchor if you can possibly fit the FX-37 it will be the better, but if not the 23 will be adequate.
Well, the FX-37 will definitely fit while bagged, so assuming that the deployment is "planned", everything should be fine.
If you are getting a new primary anchor I would think about a larger alternative than you have,. Tandem anchoring is very hit and miss, particularly with differing types of anchor. It is difficult to get both anchors to set .If the wind shifts will they stay set ?. If the forecast increases will you lift a well set single anchor to attach the tandem anchor? Then there is the problem of recovering them if they drag. What is easy in 25Knots becomes a nightmare in 50Knots. All these problems are avoided if you upsize the anchor.
Unfortunately, there is a limit to what I can upsize. Being racing
boat, it didn't even originally come with a bow roller... So I had to have a roller fabricated.. but the bow, being very narrow, meant that I had to have a VERY long bow roller (approx 1.2m/4ft).. and all through bolted etc etc... and had to incorporate the forestay chainplate as well... all in all, my bow roller alone weighs 25kg.
Then there's the windlass @ 30kg... Then there's the rode
... 70m of 8mm (5/16") chain... @ 110kg... and then the anchor...
So including the anchor, I have added about 200kg of weight to the bow, which didn't exist before... and the boat is definitely down on it's lines at the bow already.. :\
When I replace my primary rocna - I could conceivably go to 25kg (or perhaps a 22kg Sarca excel? Or 25kg Manson Boss?) ..but not much more than that.
What weight were you thinking anyway?
The other thing is that the bow roller was fabricated to fit the rocna 20kg perfectly... I REALLY hope the Manson/Sarca/something else also fits... :\
It is also worth considering when you would deploy the tandem anchor. The strongest winds I have had at anchor was when the forecast only predicted Force 7 (30Knots).
Last night at my mooring
, I had 30kn for a few hours, which was quite impressive.. my first time and this is definitely making me think about this issue.
The other thing is that the boat sails
around at anchor, so there is some side load as welll..
A larger primary anchor provides protection 100% of the time.
Originally Posted by Weyalan
With the caveat that I haven't used a fortress anchor per se, I will say that our boat (a similar style / weight / age IOR 40) came with a similar style (Danforth) anchor, that was relatively easy to stow, but bloody useless in anything other than perfectly sandy "ideal" anchoring conditions. Since we got rid of the Danforth and replaced it with a plough / CQR
style anchor (of the same weight), we have never
dragged, including in an anchorage with gusts of over 60 knots and including in achorages where, previously, the Danforth had been almost impossible to set.
Just out of curiosity - what weight is your plough?
Additionally, and without meaning any insult and without intending any offense, I'd suggest that on a typical IOR 40, if you can't find stowage for a second anchor, you maybe need to rethink your gear...
Volumetrically, there's space. But from a "space allocation" perspective - there isn't. Sure, I still have some spare underneath the settee etc... but they're too small for a non-collapsible anchor.
I've devoted one quarterberth and a double berth (both racing
style muzzle-loading bunks) for storage, but I don't have a nice "lazarette" or even a bilge to lash it down in.
As for rethinking gear.. we've divided the boat fore/aft. Wife gets "fore" for daily requirements/food/clothes etc.. and I get "aft" for boat stuff. I have enough tools/equipment to basically rebuild
the boat. Call it paranoia.
Originally Posted by s/v Jedi
I find your choices of Fortress models a bit skinny
I have both the FX-85 and the mean big FX-125. The last one in parts
in the bilge. Better than an insurance
policy. The FX-85 however is easily handled by me alone incl. putting it out with the dinghy and even retrieving with the dinghy.
The FX-125 I only dare to set by hand in shallow water where I can stand.
That's big. Wow.
Originally Posted by S/V Alchemy
If you are in Australia, I would seriously investigate the Sarca Excel as either a replacement for the Rocna or as a backup primary. I certainly wouldn't order a Spade from the UK when there's a Sarca nearby. I only wish they distributed to North America.
I like the new Mansons, too.
Yes, in Australia. What are your thoughts about sizing in that respect?
Also - the reason for the Spade was that it's collapsible, storing another plough type of anchor as a backup is not easy to do unfortunately.