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**Mantus Anchors** · 30-12-2012, 20:30

CF members this is a video we just did of the Mantus, Rocna, Manson Supreme
in hard bottom...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdURE1-X0j8

RabidRabbit · 30-12-2012, 22:55

Ok so I gotta ask, Who are you and what role in mantus anchors do you play? You seem to be constantly pounding us at CF with this anchor test junk. Are you the company owner? Or just a guy getting paid hourly to relentlessly remind us the mantus is still around? That truck thing is a total joke. We don't anchor trucks and you might have done 400 pulls, only to show us the good 3. And I dont think we need a better test, I think we need YOU to stop testing and let the anchor speak for itself. If its a good anchor it will still be here in 20 years. This is coming from someone who is going to buy one. All this anchor war stuff gets old real quick. You should be above the fray, not the leader of cheesy tests and carny-barking your product. Its a good anchor, but so are many others.

RabidRabbit · 30-12-2012, 23:14

Also I'm not sure that it helps to have vendors on here at all. If we're gonna sit around and argue/debate/talk trash about anchors. Anyone who has a voice in that debate and is in the anchor biz, is clearly going to be slightly biased even if they have the best intentions. I would guess vendors pay to be here, so they can make sales and advertise products. We would be better off without them, but I assume that this forum makes a chunk of money for someone, somewhere, by selling access to us cruisers. I could be wrong.

evm1024 · 30-12-2012, 23:27

THat video was fun to watch. I can think of all the things I might do to make the test better but who cares? It was fun to watch.

As for anchor wars - Cruisers rarely have strong feelings about their anchors and show no bias what-so-ever.

I, personally have been missing the anchor threads. I really enjoyed the thrashing that Rocna got. Well deserved IMHO. And the Rocna threads were a great educational vehicle for many who took a good look at various engineering specs because of it.

So, post on dude and let the fur fly (with some modicum of dignity).

REgards

Tony B · 30-12-2012, 23:27

Ahhhh, but the background music. Sounds like the background from 1970's porn flicks.

sailorboy1 · 31-12-2012, 04:13

While I have one of the "other" anchors in the video, the video just provides more thing to think about when anchor selecting.

So lets liken up as the OP isn't doing anything others haven't done really in support of their favorite anchor. And for those of us who have been here long enough to remember the OP is much more diplomatic than CS ever was!

Snore · 31-12-2012, 05:24

Rabid Rabbit- it was 01:55 when you posted so I am assuming you were suffering the ill effects of Duval St or had a bad case of VT cabin fever. The OP clearly indicates that he is related to the product- the label "Mantus Anchor" by his profile is kind of a give away. A visit to their website would reveal that Kutsen is a sailor who developed the anchor after working on it for some time. http://mantusanchors.com/our-story/

Every other thread or post regarding anchors is dominated by subjective, first hand experience. While subjective and anecdotal data is very informative and fine bar chat material, it is not the best way to make a decision.

While I cannot think of a better way to do an objective side-by-side anchor setting comparison test, I would like to see one. And I would assume that Mantus Anchor might even perform the test.

No I am not related to Mantus, nor do I own one of thier anchors. It just bugs me when someone is flamed inappropriately.

Bill

**skipmac** · 31-12-2012, 05:34

Like Snore mentions, the OP is clearly marked as a vendor but his title should say it all.

You might consider that commercial sponsers help support his forum and keep it free for you and me. If you don't like a particular post then you don't have to read it.

**Mantus Anchors** · 31-12-2012, 05:39

Guys as you know , independent test are exactly that independent, thus I have no control on when and how they get conducted. So in the Meantime:
I have to try to and let the world know what we got....
Plus I don't mind getting the heat, but I think the more data there is out there the better, reasonably manufacturer sponsored test are suspect but can be educational nonetheless.
If you guys have an idea let me know, and we will try to accommodate as time and money allows.

RabidRabbit · 31-12-2012, 06:00

My opinions are never really cared for here and I suspect that I'm generally viewed as an ass. I have a very negative, pesimistic view about everything. Is it really news that anchor testing done by anchor makers is biased? I'm tempted to think that many of these new gen anchors are all a ripoff of the original "roll bar anchor". They seem to be just slightly changed enough to avoid copyright infringment and get a piece of the pie as the world changes over from the CQR of the 1960's.

klem · 31-12-2012, 06:05

Greg,

Have you run tests against any of the other "new generation" anchors? Specifically, I am thinking the Manson Boss, Spade and Sarca Excel. The reason that I ask is that these tests were all of roll bar type anchors which are known to clog in certain soils. In the video, you can actually see the Rocna clog up pretty well whereas your Mantus does a better job of allowing the sand to flow through and penetrating deeper. It would be interesting to compare your anchor to ones that right themselves without using a roll bar. Obviously, you can't test all bottom types but even a simple sand test would be great.

RabidRabbit · 31-12-2012, 06:11

Sorry Greg I guess my post came off as a personal attack, not my intention. I just saw the truck test as another one of the many. Maybe I should do anchor testing in the spring, as I have a much larger truck and many anchors.

Maine Sail · 31-12-2012, 06:17

I own a Mantus and used it from roughly July through the end of my season in November. It does set faster than my Rocna, Manson Supreme or Spade. Instead of "near instantly" or feet it sets instantly. Is this a big selling feature? In a hard bottom it certainly could be but our Manson & Rocna have not given us any issues...

Once the Mantus set too well. We had it at near 1:1 when un-setting and moving on. I had to let the weight of the vessel rip it from the bottom. As my buddy Jay was about to lift the anchor off the bottom the damn thing re-set and nearly yanked him off the bow.

I have put mine through my own series of tests, I don't trust manufacturers nor magazines to do a good job of this. With a 30' sport fishing boat, 450HP of engine and my 5000 pound digital load cell the anchor performs very well.

That said I will return my non-Chinese Rocna to the bow for next season because it fits better in my roller but not because it necessarily performs any better than the Mantus.

IMHO the Mantus is an excellent product and definitely the fastest setting anchor I own, but I don't find the differences, once set, to be dramatically different enough to not go back to my Rocna for "fit" in the roller.

One huge benefit of the Mantus is that, like my Spade, I can disassemble it and stow it for storms or on an as needed basis.. The price I found to be excellent too. It's a lot of anchor for the money especially considering how little stowage space it takes up for a back up..

Also, unlike the old group of liars & misfits at Ronco, Greg is a real gentleman and all round nice guy. There is no BS with him and he is genuinely interested in making a great product.

I happen to also know (at least what I feel from conversations with him) he's NOT in this for the money but purely out of the passion for the sport. He has a "real job" that I know pays tremendously well. I do suspect it funds this venture which I would guess has not yet turned a profit, but that is just my gut. If Greg wants to tell you more about himself he is more than welcome to.

Greg also stands behind the product well.. He is a cruiser just like the rest of us and this all started for him with a dragging incident in South America (IIRC) so he decided to try and build a better mouse trap......

Being one who is always on the look out for a better mouse trap I bought one and have not been disappointed....

Cut the guy some slack he is NOT another Craig S. and is selling these anchors at what I consider a very reasonable price. He also offers GOOD discounts to forum members from time to time. I got mine on a special Mantus promo Sailnet member discount. Pretty good deal too. So some of you, in the market for a new anchor, may actually benefit from Greg being here.....

**skipmac** · 31-12-2012, 06:18

Greg (or anyone else that might plan anchor tests). Seems like all the comments and tests on new gen anchors focus in Rocna, Manson, usually Spade and Delta, and now the Mantus. One that does not usually make the lists is the Ultra anchor. I have seen some comments about observations that indicate the Ultra might be an excellent option but they are ridiculously expensive.

So, if anyone plans any new anchor tests how about adding the Ultra to the list?

PS
Disclosure, I do have a Mantus anchor, as well as a Rocna, a Fortress and a couple of old CQRs.

jannw · 31-12-2012, 06:30

I think it is safe to say that the above video is, if anything, lacking a little in sound methodology, and is potentially suffering from bias in the data represented. Then again, do any of us really trust anchor manufacturers promotional data???

I personally prefer this truly valuable anchor test, by an unbiased individual:

Fortress Anchor - tandem - test -