Stockless Anchor

[Bricky]

Wondering if anyone has used these anchors. Have had a look through old posts and can't find anything on them.
We have a Seawind 1000 and need a second anchor. Have read posts on both Manson Supreme and Rocna, but notice a lot of Stockless anchors around here and from most reports are excellent.
We are thinking the new anchor may become our primary and have the 27lb cqr? as our secondary.
Any thought appreciated.

Thanks
Daryl & Kerren

[craigsmith]

You mean the 'standard' anchor that classification societies use to rate other more serious types - x2 for HHP, and x4 for SHHP (Rocna)...?

Stockless anchors four times the weight were recording pulls a quarter of the Rocna’s results during classification testing. I mention this because it's about the only time anybody would bother with them. They are an ancient outdated relic that have no place on any modern cruising boat.

[Factor]

Whilst one should never underestimate local knowledge and the proof of what works locally etc, I really couldnt see why you would put a stockless on that fine cat.

For a start, if you like the CQR I would be going to at least 35 lb on the seawind. Personally I am making the move to a Rocna/ Supreme primary and a fortress secondary. I prevaricated about a Sarca excel but am getting mixed messages from a lot of actual users, including a seawind owner in Sydney.

The reality on any cat is that you want a slightly bigger anchor that you would on the same weight mono because of windage. You also want lightness which means the best modern design. a 15/20 kilo new gen anchor will be a better bet I think, but its your boat and I have never anchored in South Australian waters so I do not have the benefit of understand the local bottom types etc.

[GordMay]

See the “Anchor” entries, from the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1875/1902):
➥ Anchor

[Kettlewell]

I'm curious what he means by "stockless anchor." Does he mean something like the Britany or FOB anchor, which are sort of like Danforths but with no stock? If that is what he means, those anchors seem to have a tendency to roll out during a swing, which is why the Danforth has a stock.

I always recommend a Fortress or two as secondary anchors. Due to their lightweight and tremendous holding power they are superior when taken out in the dinghy or used as a kedge.

[Bricky]

Thanks to everyone for the replies.
As we are very new to sailing we appreciate any help that comes our way.
After reading replies and doing a bit more research we are now looking at the Rocna 15kg and the Manson Supreme 35lb.
Can someone tell if these sizes would be ok and which would mount on the Seawind with least hassle.
Cheers
Daryl

[craigsmith]

If you can post a photo of your Seawind's bow roller you're more likely to get useful comments on that. I have a few of a Seawind 1000 here from past customers and the Rocna will fit but the roll-bar will strike the underside of the platform sidebars, so not pull back all the way but probably still be quite okay.

The Supreme's roll-bar is higher than the Rocna's, meaning it will clash earlier, and the shank is taller, so will likely not fit as well.

If you want to check dimensions and fit, you can get the info off Rocna - send them or me an e-mail and request them. You can even make up a full scale pattern out of card or whatever.

The 15 would be the recommended size.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by craigsmith

If you can post a photo of your Seawind's bow roller you're more likely to get useful comments on that. .

Here ya go

[craigsmith]

That looks like what I have on file, but are they all identical. If so then see above. I think Seawind ship their boats with CQR copies, - but you can probably get a replacement to work.

If you can't then the next best thing sure to fit would be a Spade (expensive), then a Delta (cheap). Just be sure to stick to the genuine originals.

[Steve Thompson]

Bricky
Don't throw away that [stockless anchor] it may be the only anchor that will hold if you sail around the corner to Spilsby / Reevsby islands . Check out the pro fishing boats in Pt Lincoln and Tumby bay no fancy new age anchors.
cheers Steve

[craigsmith]

Originally Posted by Steve Thompson

Bricky
Don't throw away that [stockless anchor] it may be the only anchor that will hold if you sail around the corner to Spilsby / Reevsby islands . Check out the pro fishing boats in Pt Lincoln and Tumby bay no fancy new age anchors.
cheers Steve

Like the 'pro' fishing boats the world over who 1) never anchor overnight or leave their boats anchored unattended, 2) never anchor in particularly bad weather, and 3) expect to routinely lose anchors so generally go for the cheapest thing they can find?

[Factor]

Originally Posted by craigsmith

That looks like what I have on file, but are they all identical]

. Yep

I think Seawind ship their boats with CQR copies

, The manson plough is the standard fitment on the 1000, (Supreme on the bigger boats) but owners can spec pretty much what they want.

[drinky]

My boat came from South Australia and had one of them tied to the rail. Aparently they are for anchoring in kelp beds.

[MarcW]

Daryl, talk to the guys at Port Lincoln Yacht Club when we when through in November the anchor you have posted was top of the list for the area. The sea grass is extra heavy and our manson took more than one attempt to set if you could not see a sand patch to drop it in.
Good Luck

[navigator54]

Most of the yachts in our club would be using a stockless. We had a manson supreme as the primary on our sailing yacht (and are choosing a rocna for our trawler - both good anchors) but the best one for SA waters is the stockless. It always held when our manson wouldn't.