Snubber Version 3

[estarzinger]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

I just thought you might get a kick out of our "super snubber." I left the shoes in the picture to give it some scale. The line is 1 inch. The contraption works great, never even feels like we're at anchor.... no tugging or chain noise at all. The chain grab on the end is an Ultra Chain grab 13mm.

How long do you find those rubber snubbers last and what sort if action do they provude in strong winds (eg are they just fully stretched out all the time in strong winds or do they still have one range if motion). I could easily add one to my brait section

[Stevens 47]

Originally Posted by estarzinger

How long do you find those rubber snubbers last and what sort if action do they provude in strong winds (eg are they just fully stretched out all the time in strong winds or do they still have one range if motion). I could easily add one to my brait section

Do you lead your snubber through your anchor chock or to some sort of fair lead. Looks like the snubber that Kenomac made go too fair leads.

Jack

[Matt Johnson]

Do you experience any slipping with the Dyneema on your cleats? We haven't had enough tug on our snubber to see if its an issue here, but when trying to set splices with our cockpit winches and cleats, I typically see some slippage as I tighten the line.

[estarzinger]

Originally Posted by Stevens 47

Do you lead your snubber through your anchor chock or to some sort of fair lead. Looks like the snubber that Kenomac made go too fair leads.

Jack

I have been leading it from a deck cleat to over the spare bow roller. With the new bridle design I am going to play around with some other options (like out the two bow fairleads), but I suspect over the bow roller will prove the simplest.

Originally Posted by funjohnson

Do you experience any slipping with the Dyneema on your cleats? We haven't had enough tug on our snubber to see if its an issue here, but when trying to set splices with our cockpit winches and cleats, I typically see some slippage as I tighten the line.

With a normal cross on the cleats, it did slip a little under high loads. I switched to using a tug boat hitch on the cleats which does not slip. I am going to experiment with some other options (like a lashing thru the new eyes) but the tug boat hitch is pretty fast and easy. A "bigger" alternative would be to switch to Dacron covered dyneema (I use for my halyards) which would not slip, but would be a bit clunkier. I will do that for version 4 if I find any further slipping problems.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by estarzinger

How long do you find those rubber snubbers last and what sort if action do they provude in strong winds (eg are they just fully stretched out all the time in strong winds or do they still have one range if motion). I could easily add one to my brait section

When we just used one rubber snubber I could definitely see it stretch quite a bit, but now using two of them, it's not so noticeable. They last for years. Most of the shock is actually absorbed by the weight of the 1/2 chain. The rubber snubbers prevent any tugging by the chain and allow at least one foot of stretch. Each line coming off the snubber is routed through the end of our double bow roller.

[Kenomac]

Follow up to my previous post:

The primary reason I added the rubber shock absorbers to the snubber lines was to eliminate the pulling, stretching or grinding noises at night from snubber lines and chain. It's worked very well, no more noises to wake us up. It's as if we're not attached to anything and just floating free.

[estarzinger]

^^

Actually my current solution is dead quiet, because the dyneema out over the roller is not stretching back and forth (unlike a full nylon snubber). All the stretching happens off the boat.

[dugout]

Originally Posted by estarzinger

Here is something I wrote on version 2, it has some pics and discussion on the soft shackle. There are descriptions all over the web on how to make them - very easy, a sliding loop with a diamond stopper knot.

Version 2 snubber

The heat build up problem is related to the nylon stretch, and is not a problem with dyneema.

Thanks again, very helpful.

[robert sailor]

You should cruise the Med and check out how the average sailor here sets a snubber. About 12"-24" from the chain hook to the bow roller

[Paul Elliott]

Originally Posted by robert sailor

You should cruise the Med and check out how the average sailor here sets a snubber. About 12"-24" from the chain hook to the bow roller

That's not a snubber then. It is taking the load off the windlass gypsy though.

[svmariane]

Originally Posted by robert sailor

You should cruise the Med and check out how the average sailor here sets a snubber. About 12"-24" from the chain hook to the bow roller

Read somewhere about a cruiser who sets the chain hook (substitute soft shackle) just above the water line so stuff doesn't grow/attach. BUT he runs the 5/8th 3-strand snubber over the bow roller and back along the deck to a mid-ship cleat.

Gives a long enough run to act as snubber and not just anchor windlass relief. Seems reasonable, depending on deck layout...

[Ocean Girl]

Splicing question, hope it's ok to butt in here.

I'm making another snubber for Rain Dog. I'm just not sure which splice to use between the 3 strand 7/16 (30ft)and the endura braid with dyneema core (ordered 10 feet but not sure I'm going to use all of it). I will also have a "rubber snubber" in the three strand section.

So which splice would you all advise for three strand to endura braid double braid?

Splice to splice, meaning two eye splices?

[gjordan]

Never heard the term TUG BOAT HITCH before. Could someone bring me out of my ignorance????? ______Grant.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by gjordan

Never heard the term TUG BOAT HITCH before. Could someone bring me out of my ignorance????? ______Grant.

I would guess two bowlines entwined would be one answer.

[JPA Cate]

Evans posted a link to the tug boat hitch in the preceding snubber thread. Very interesting, and when we get back to our boat, boy am I going to practice it. I want to be able to do it blindfolded, just like we can do bowlines.

Ann