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Old 10-10-2010, 19:10   #16
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Chinese products are somewhat reminiscent of imports from Japan in the late 1940s and the 1950s. One never knew what you were going to get, or so I have been told, regarding quality and dependability until quality control began to reign in all the cottage industries.
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I bought two for my anchor at WM. I asked them specifically about working load and breaking strength and they said the numbers were for real.

Silly me to not make them show me the certificates.

Now I don't know what to do. I will look at them again before I put them on, but will that help me at all?
WM will take them back. In the US if it isn't stamped CM, Crosby, Acco, or Chicago I wouldn't trust it on anything critical.
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WM will take them back. In the US if it isn't stamped CM, Crosby, Acco, or Chicago I wouldn't trust it on anything critical.
Very true.

Having stacked a lot of steel and and worked under the loads, we inspected every shackle, sling and chain constantly. I would do the same now with anything my life and boat depended on it. If the chain is peanut shaped-toss it.

Sorry, not trying to be a nerd. Somethings I take seriously.

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U.S. Won't Bring Criminal Charges In Building Collapse in Which 28 Died - NYTimes.com
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Wasn't me. All my stuff fell down from ice overload.

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WM will take them back. In the US if it isn't stamped CM, Crosby, Acco, or Chicago I wouldn't trust it on anything critical.

I will check this Sat.

Anyone up for some maintenance work?
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It is next to impossible to tell a shackle made in China from one made elsewhere.

A test : where are Wichard HR shackles made (80USD apiece)?

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I think exercising a little common sense goes a long way. I have a variety of types of shackles on Insatiable - it is a reality that the budget is small and the work list is large. But the shackles on critical applications (anchor chain, running backstays, etc) are good quality name-brand, and the non critical applications have the no name shackles.
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Not a fair comparison as the bridge was still useable. Here you can see commuters on their way to work the day after the collapse.

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It is next to impossible to tell a shackle made in China from one made elsewhere.

A test : where are Wichard HR shackles made (80USD apiece)?

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China?

Another test
Where are Rocna anchors made?
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[QUOTE=barnakiel;538305]... A test : where are Wichard HR shackles made (80USD apiece)?

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I'd avoid Chinese hardware in critical applications. (although my Neil Pride sails, from Hong Cong, are World class).

By far the best, most reliable anchor shackles are made by Crosby. They are intended for industry & are not in a lot of marine stores. I like the red pin ones with a cottered nut, rather than mouseing the pin. They have some high test ones too. Mark
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By far the best, most reliable anchor shackles are made by Crosby.
I'm pretty sure the Wichard shackles of the same size are rated much higher than the Crosby.
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I'm pretty sure the Wichard shackles of the same size are rated much higher than the Crosby.
Here's what you need. $10. It's what I use. I can't imagine it could be worthwhile to save a few bucks for a Chinese shackle of questionable quality when your boat is at stake.

3/8" HT (WLL 2 ton) perfect for your Gemini 105 which is probably using 5/16" HT chain. The 3/8" shackle is the largest size you can use in 5/16" chain without adding an over-sized end link. If you're using 1/4" chain you will need to go down a size to 5/16" shackle. Stick with the Crosby Hi Test and you won't go wrong.

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I have no affiliation. Hamilton is a chandler that caters to Maine lobstermen and they don't like crappy stuff.

BTW there is no way the Wichard shackle of equal size will be stronger.

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Actually I'm using 1/4" with the Wichard shackles.
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