Rocna Size

[avb3]

Originally Posted by chris smith

China is largest parts supplier for Boeing outsite US ...
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...pplier-boeing-... - Cached
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Will you ever fly in a boeing again..? Most of your car parts , brakes , clutches , cell phones , columbia shuttle parts , medical equipment and your food is made in CHINA.This thread is tired now and wants to be laid to rest.
Lets find something else to talk about

Chris, the problem is that the Rocna anchors produced in China are NOT using the quality of steel that was originally used in the NZ and Canadian ones. The Rocna website *used* to say how important it was using 800mpa steel.

Now, when Rocna was caught using lesser quality, all of a sudden it is a "trade secret" what steel they use.

Do you not see a problem here? When Rocna was caught in a lie, first of all they denied it, then admitted it, then they moved the goal posts.

Credible companies do not do that... have a word or two with your cousin.

BTW, great design, poor manufacturing, and no ethics.

[GMac]

Originally Posted by chris smith

I could easily get a refund from WM and buy a Manson ..but that would be taking a step back.

Ha, blinkers must be genetic.

its only an anchor were discussing, not heart transplant equipment.

What a bizarre mindset. So what do you use to keep you, your kids, your boat alive and off the rocks while you are asleep? The rest of us use a anchor.

[Overlord]

You say poor manufacturing ? how many faulty inferior Rocna's have been reported out of the thousands sold ? Certain conditions will bend all anchors.Have any rocna shanks been torn off yet ? I am a realist and i know people have the best intentions but sadly , gone are the days of ethics and pride. Its all about the Dollar. Look at the Lehman brothers for a yard stick for ethics in modern day business.
I say lets move on to another topic like toyota cars and have a good go at the Japs.They do make one of the most reliable cars in the world..

[sabray]

Geesh if I buy a spool of tinned wire I expect it's tinned wire.if I find it's nit tinned wire im ousses I don't care if the manufacturer says oops it's okay it will work. I payed fior tinned wire. It is amazing how anchor psychology allows rocna owners to stand by the product when they have bought a product that is not what they were told it is . Ricna even admits a few anchors are nit what we said they are

[Overlord]

My CQR anchor rotted and rusted and failed miserably yet thousands use them and swear by them.Its all a personal choice.Stop slagging them till you have proof that they are failing. I do sleep well at anchor knowing that my chinese anchor is holding us tight. Beware , the chinese are the new superpower.They do make a lot of crap as well as a lot of superior equipment.Remember who are the largest buyers of chinese goods. The US of A

[s/v 'Faith']

Originally Posted by chris smith

You say poor manufacturing ? how many faulty inferior Rocna's have been reported out of the thousands sold ? Certain conditions will bend all anchors.Have any rocna shanks been torn off yet ? I am a realist and i know people have the best intentions but sadly , gone are the days of ethics and pride. Its all about the Dollar. Look at the Lehman brothers for a yard stick for ethics in modern day business.
I say lets move on to another topic like toyota cars and have a good go at the Japs.They do make one of the most reliable cars in the world..

Manson makes a good anchor.

Fortress makes a good anchor.

Toyota makes a good car.

Rocna makes... something. Something expensive, and untrustworthy.

Why on earth would any person in their right mind pay more money for an inferior product made with sliding specifications...?

[Overlord]

So a few toyota's had problems...do you see everybody returning them and swapping to ford. I give up and will not argue this anymore as i see that you want a lynching...meanwhile..i shall enjoy cruising and circumnavigating with my wife , kids and faithful chinese rocna
PS. Watch IP man and see how tough the chinese are

[sabray]

If you will settle fir an anchor made of something other the what it is claimed to be made of.but still works for the purpose. I am working in a rocna knock off. It will be made of metal and I guarantee it .same design I'm just nit telling you what type of metal.it will be coated with something. Best of all it will anchor.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by s/v 'Faith'

Why on earth would any person in their right mind pay more money for an inferior product made with sliding specifications...?

They call them useful idots. They ensure that even unethical companies will continue to have defenders.

[evm1024]

Originally Posted by chris smith

My CQR anchor rotted and rusted and failed miserably yet thousands use them and swear by them.Its all a personal choice.Stop slagging them till you have proof that they are failing. I do sleep well at anchor knowing that my chinese anchor is holding us tight. Beware , the chinese are the new superpower.They do make a lot of crap as well as a lot of superior equipment.Remember who are the largest buyers of chinese goods. The US of A

my Rocna is rusting and it has not even been in the water yet. Rocna agrees that it is faulty and is in the process of replacing it.

Proof? What do you think those photos are of the bent anchors and the test data of the steel?

If Boeing buys jet engine parts from anywhere and they go to the field and are then found to be made of less strong than spec steel the whole fleet is grounded till inspection are done and the parts replaced.

If you buy a boat that the manufacture says is made out of s-2 glass and epoxy resin and charges extra for that what do you say when you find out that it is made of e glass and polyester resin and that there have been some that have bent and popped the deck joint?

Were you serious when you said that you are related?

Regards

[Overlord]

Posted on 14 June 2011
Corrections to Rocna website

We wanted to let you know that we've updated some parts of our website, as it was brought to our attention that content regarding materials used to build our anchors was no longer accurate.

We have corrected this information, which was mostly in the Knowledge Base section, and we sincerely apologise for this oversight.

While the materials used to make the Rocna have changed from time to time, our functional specification has remained the same throughout: All Rocna anchors are designed to meet or exceed the holding power required by RINA’s Super High Holding Power (SHHP) certification. And more than this, the Rocna has always been significantly over-engineered to ensure it can withstand the most challenging conditions that might be faced on the sea. This was confirmed recently with exceptional results from independent destruction testing undertaken by D.M.Standen Limited. A galvanized 55kg model held a massive 28.7 tonnes of load – 670% of RINA’s SHHP proof load, and well beyond the point at which the connected chain would fail in real life use.
While the materials used to make the Rocna have changed from time to time, our functional specification has remained the same throughout: All Rocna anchors are designed to meet or exceed the holding power required by RINA’s Super High Holding Power (SHHP) certification.

But more than this, the Rocna has always been significantly over-engineered to ensure it can withstand the most challenging conditions that might be faced on the sea.

This was confirmed recently with exceptional results in destruction testing independently conducted by D.M. Standen Limited. A galvanised 55kg model held up to a massive 28.7 tonnes of load – this equates to 670% of RINA’s SHHP proof load, and well beyond the point at which the connected chain would fail in real life use

[Overlord]

Give me Facts. How many have bent and under what circumstances.How many have failed and stop bleating

[S/V Alchemy]

Originally Posted by chris smith

uuugh...i am yet to see this colossal failure your referring to..I am happy with my 40 kg chinese rocna.I could easily get a refund from WM and buy a Manson ..but that would be taking a step back.
The whole world is run on greed and misrepresentation..just look at the FDA or congress..At least the anchor is holding out to its reputation of being a solid , quick setting anchor..by God , its only an anchor were discussing, not heart transplant equipment.
By the way ,Craig is my first cousin

Quelle surprise, as the French say.

As for the heart transplant comment, an anchor is critical safety equipment designed to keep a boat off the rocky shore. Any casualness about concerns over quality and manufacturing claims I find unseamanlike in any context.

Try this, Mr Smith: "by God , its only an air bag or parachute or seatbelt or Epipen we're discussing, not heart transplant equipment."

You sound like someone who gets anchors for free, frankly.

[evm1024]

"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit "shill" for the industry at large, possibly because their income is tied to its prosperity. The origin of the term shill is uncertain; it may be an abbreviation of shillaber. The word originally denoted a carnival worker who pretended to be a member of the audience in an attempt to elicit interest in an attraction. Some sources trace the usage only back to 1914

There is a question on the floor regarding relationships....

[sabray]

Fact they marketed an item that had really good steel they sold an item that was nit what they said it was. It us a lesser steel.how much unrolled copper wire has failed in boats I have no idea. It might work just fine. Tinned is better if I bought better it better be that.I might never notice. But dint sell me tinned wire and then say it isn't but it still works. What ever. You will love my pot metal rocna knock off. Nit saying I'm using pot metal just it's metal and it's an anchor it might not look exactly like a rocna. It might look very different. But it will fit your purpose ,now your buying a piece of metal coated with something that anchors your boat. If your happy with buying something that is made if something that will do something I have something for you. You need a sneed.and today is your lucky day because I have a special on sneeds. These days sneers are very rare indeed. They are made from the trunk of a now extinct tree. A sneed you will see is just what you need.