Great post. As both a Rocna and Manson Supreme owner I can personally confirm that these anchors have performed identically for me and I have never found or said otherwise. These two anchors have been the best performing anchors I have ever used and I own MANY anchors including other "new gens" like the Spade.
I will continue to use my Rocna only because my Rocna is a 15kg and my Manson is a 10kg. If my Manson Supreme was a 15Kg my Rocna would have already been at an independent lab or put up for experimentation though I suspect it is built to the spec Peter wanted being a BC built model.
The DESIGN is exemplary for my cruising waters and these anchors have opened up gunk holes we passed over for many years due to "poor holding"...
All that being said what Rocna has done makes me sick to my stomach and I have personally sold
perhaps hundreds of Rocna's for them either directly, to my own friends or customers, and indirectly through my various postings and videos of the performance and setting characteristics.
I now have people emailing me wanting to know if they should return their anchor to Rocna and my gut at this point is to say yes, if it was Chinese made.
I have now been copied on some of these email
replies from Rocna and they are STILL, as of two weeks ago, CLAIMING they have RINA "CERTIFICATION"!!! The misleading activities have not stopped and they are not doing the right thing despite having a great opportunity to recalibrate, own up to mistakes
, and become a NEW and more honest anchor company.
They have a tremendous product design but like many companies the upper management team prefers to take the low road not the high road.
If I owned a Manson Supreme 15Kg it would be on my bow right now just so I could distance myself from such an unethical company. Anchors on bows serve as advertisements and I no longer want to advertise for Rocna, not because of lack of performance, but because of an utter lack of integrity..
The bold faced lie claiming they had RINA CERTIFICATION
, after all this came out in the open, to a guy I convinced to buy one, was my final straw.
This was the response to that customer from just two weeks ago:
Originally Posted by Rocna Anchors
"Many thanks for your inquiry and comments.
We are sorry you feel this way as our anchors are RINA certified to SHHP
and we receive positive feedback from customers all over the world Rocna feedback (Rocna Knowledge Base)
XXXXXXXXXXX (Edited to protect privacy of customer)
Should you require anything further or if we can help in any other way please let us know.
Tanya XXXXXXXX (last name, phone
extensions etc. edited out for privacy of employee)
Here's what Steve Bambury said over four weeks ago:
Originally Posted by Steve Bambury
It’s nice to see someone who appreciates the depth
of the certification
To date it’s cost us over $50,000 to pursue certification, and that’s a lot for a relatively small business like us. One of the things that could have sped up the process was if we engaged a company like SGS to take us through the whole process, but that would have added another $200,000 to the price
tag (!) As a result, the process has taken a little longer than initially planned.
Originally Posted by Steve Bambury
We’ve now completed all of the seabed testing, proof load testing, welding testing and material testing required to obtain certification of the design of the Rocna itself and the manufacturing facility. It’s now a matter of all the reports being processed by RINA for final certification. We will of course be publishing the certificates as soon as they become available.
Simply put that means they do not and are not RINA certified...YET...BUT they have been and are still CLAIMING they are "CERTIFIED".. Of course us mere mortals (read: paying customers) are apparently too stupid to understand the "complexities" of RINA.
The big problem is they had been claiming "certification" since about 2009 and it is now 2011 and they still don't officially have RINA certification and Steve Bambury ADMITTED THIS PUBLICLY on 4/08/2011.
The seabed testing was done in 3/2008 according to the letter that shows the tests were "conducted" so one really must question why it has taken over 3 years to get this actual RINA certificate???
This is how I read this letter:
#1 "At the REQUEST of ROCNA ANCHORS."
This means Rocna was trying to get something, anything, to show their customers even though they KNEW they did not yet have an actual "certification". The letter was issued almost TWO years after the sea bed
testing but STILL no CERTIFICATION. Remember the letter was "at the request of Rocna Anchors" not a voluntary letter from RINA.
#2 "It is hereby "stated" that for anchors from 4.1kg to 275kg
This is nothing more than a statement of the range of Rocna anchors they tested on 3/12/2008.
#3 "The sea bed test has been carried out on 3/12/2008."
So put it all together; Rocna asked us to send a statement saying we have conducted testing of anchors from 4.1 to 275 kg.
#4 "The test result was witnessed by a surveyor and the result is in "compliance" with RINA rules."
As I read it; The "result" of the testing was in "compliance" for the way SHHP testing
is done meaning they did not cheat the system and the test was done according to RINA rules and guidelines for SHHP tests and the surveyor
was there to monitor
the testing and to make sure it was in "compliance" with the RINA "rules". It DOES NOT state what the "result" was, or IF the anchors passed, nor does it say they have SHHP "certification", but we already know that because Steve admitted it publicly. The word "compliance" simply means the testing was carried out in the manner it is supposed to be and the "results" of the test were in"compliance" with the testing guidelines.
While I have no doubt it can perform to SHHP why do we not yet, after three years, have confirmation in the form of OFFICIAL RINA certification?
We will NOT officially know the "results", I guess, until RINA offers Ronca an actual "certification" or in College/University terms a "degree"......
This is how I see Rocna playing this RINA deal:
"I went to college." "Did you graduate?", "I went to college.", "Did you graduate?", "I went to college."........... "Where's your DEGREE?"...... "I went to college and have an admissions letter."
So on 4/8/2011 Steve Bambury publicly admitted they DO NOT have any RINA certification but two weeks ago Rocna anchors sent a letter to a customer stating that they DO have RINA SHHP "Certification".. It's unbelievable that even under this much public scrutiny they continue to TWIST the truth..
Hey I still look on the bright side in that CS is no longer posting
his defamatory rants..