Rigging Toggle for Anchor Connection ?

[Mark Johnson]

Originally Posted by Therapy

Dang!
I just ordered one of those as the guy taking the order left the phone to check and said the pin will go through 1/4 G4.
We shall see.

!/4" HT chain can take a 5/16" shackles' pin, but not 3/8". M.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Mark Johnson

It is not the design of swivel/shackle you've seen, where the socket is in two haves, trying to be prized apart by the ball. The 1" dia. shaft of the ball goes into the one piece socket, and then the forks of the ball are threaded on, and "potted", to keep seawater out.
rk

That sounds like a beautiful design! Who makes it? Photos please!

[Mark Johnson]

Originally Posted by estarzinger

Yes

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AGREED!
I have taken apart galvanized shackles that crumbled in my hands from rust, but the threads coated well with blue "Loctite" had no rust! The stuff is both a anti slip, AND an anti seize... even under water.

Mark

[Mark Johnson]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

That sounds like a beautiful design! Who makes it? Photos please!

The ol brain fails me... I will look tomorrow. M.

[Mark Johnson]

Originally Posted by Kettlewell

Therapy, I'm pretty sure the Crosby alloy shackles that are high tensile don't come any smaller than 3/8". See here. I'm also pretty sure they won't fit in 1/4" chain as they are really snug in my 5/16" chain.

Correct on both counts John.

This is why we ordered a custom chain from ACCO with a 3/8" HT link made into the end, proof tested, then galvanized. It is the solution for those of us with small boats and 1/4" HT chain. It is not that expensive either... NOW one has a strength compatible way to connect the chain to the anchor.

I switched to brait/plait Rope, and that stopped the problem of multiple twist in the chain. As far as swivels go... ours goes over the roller nicely, but doesn't really swivel on it's own, or under load. It is slick with NO load, but not so with a load.

I still like it, because I can bring the anchor up to the roller, and fix things "manually" if it is upside down. Also, we use a chain tensioner to keep the anchor so tight that It doesn't rattle. If the last few feet of chain has 4 twist in it, the swivel allows me to take them out manually, so that the preset "chain tensioner" is the correct distance away.

Mark

[boatman61]

ROTFLMBO........ I'll leave you guys to the 'Designer Gear' signed of by super sailors to top of their wallets...
I'm happy with my cheap galvanised shackles... well pinned with the ball hammer..
Go well with the 'Gucci' white yacht pants

[Mark Johnson]

Originally Posted by boatman61

ROTFLMBO........ I'll leave you guys to the 'Designer Gear' signed of by super sailors to top of their wallets...
I'm happy with my cheap galvanised shackles... well pinned with the ball hammer..
Go well with the 'Gucci' white yacht pants

When I decided to cruise the E Caribbean, with it's 35' deep anchorages, I switched from almost all 5/8" rope and 35' of 5/16" chain, to 1/2' rope spliced into 110' of 1/4" HT chain.

With the previous tackle of, a 35' section of bigger chain, I used no swivel, and COULD get a galvanized shackle that matched the chain's WL. It worked for over 10 years that way. Down sizing changed everything!

With the new 1/4" chain, (that I'd pull in hand over hand), there was NO available shackle that come close to my chain's WL and would fit the link. THIS was the only reason that I got a modified chain, and fancy swivel.

After over a dozen hurricanes, I felt that 1/4" chain was marginal, and I SURE didn't want a shackle that was weaker than the chain. M.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Mark Johnson

When I decided to cruise the E Caribbean, with it's 35' deep anchorages, I switched from almost all 5/8" rope and 35' of 5/16" chain, to 1/2' rope spliced into 110' of 1/4" HT chain.

With the previous tackle of, a 35' section of bigger chain, I used no swivel, and COULD get a galvanized shackle that matched the chain's WL. It worked for over 10 years that way. Down sizing changed everything!

With the new 1/4" chain, (that I'd pull in hand over hand), there was NO available shackle that come close to my chain's WL and would fit the link. THIS was the only reason that I got a modified chain, and fancy swivel.

After over a dozen hurricanes, I felt that 1/4" chain was marginal, and I SURE didn't want a shackle that was weaker than the chain. M.

Mark.... you poseur you......

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by Kettlewell

Therapy, I'm pretty sure the Crosby alloy shackles that are high tensile don't come any smaller than 3/8". See here. I'm also pretty sure they won't fit in 1/4" chain as they are really snug in my 5/16" chain.

Well crap!

[Kettlewell]

Peerless Chain (ACCO) makes smaller high test shackles, but the 5/16" size, which I presume fits 1/4" chain is only max. 1 ton working load. See here on page 61. The max. working load on G43 1/4" chain is 2600 lbs.

[Mirar]

Hello all, I spent a lot of time researching shackles for the anchor system on my new 56 foot alloy cutter I am still building, The best I came up with are high tensile ones from www.1st-chainsupply They were a great company to do business with and the 7/16th ones I bought fit in the regular links of the G-40 HT chain with the rated load of 2.6 T stamped on them. I ended up paying a fortune to get them here to the Canadian west but oh well, don't care to skimp on that part of the process.
cheers, Greg

[estarzinger]

Originally Posted by Mirar

7/16th ones I bought fit in the regular links of the G-40 HT chain with the rated load of 2.6 T stamped on them.

Good choice - I use those also

It's a relatively standard shackle - sold for instance at Hamiliton marine - SHACKLE ANCHOR 7/16" USA 2.6 TON HI TEST SLVR PIN 105394

[Kettlewell]

The best source for the HT Crosby shackles I have found is C.G. Edwards in Boston, and they have been good to do business with. They do a lot of business with fishing boats and commercial shipping, so they have lots of heavy-duty gear. Best price I have found on real Crosby stuff too. I have no financial interest in the company--just do business with them.

[Mark Johnson]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

That sounds like a beautiful design! Who makes it? Photos please!

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Look it up for the photo... I am confident that this design will NOT be the weak link... M.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Mark Johnson

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Look it up for the photo... I am confident that this design will NOT be the weak link... M.

I like it. It's even more expensive than my Kong, but it appears to have a big advantage in that it tilts as well as swivels. I like it -- very clever design.