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gem buy · 25-01-2009, 21:23

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Originally Posted by gettinthere

To manufacturing costs; The Raya is made in Brazil, the Manson Supreme down under; where is the Rocna made?

New Zealand and Vancouver BC Canada I believe

Bash · 25-01-2009, 22:05

Sheesh!

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They claim to be manufacturing an "ecological anchor" because, "The Raya does not use any toxic metals (lead)."

So when is the last time anyone saw a lead anchor on the market? Might as well claim that the Raya is an ecological anchor because there's no DDT used in its manufacture.

**Ancora Latina** · 26-01-2009, 10:19

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Originally Posted by Bash

So when is the last time anyone saw a lead anchor on the market? .

Hi Basch,

This « last time » is still TODAY.

You will easily find anchors of the « new gen », which are using lead to ballast the anchor!

Hiracer · 11-02-2009, 17:44

My Spade has lead in it.

**Ancora Latina** · 11-02-2009, 18:23

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Originally Posted by gem buy

where is the Rocna made?: New Zealand and Vancouver BC Canada I believe

This WAS right..
Now it's manufactured in China!..

João

GMac · 11-02-2009, 23:19

Not quite João, some are currently being made in NZ again.
Issues with the Chinese at the moment, is the word.

While talking 'ecological anchor', I'd say the Spade and Raya are far better for the environment than the Rocna or Supreme.

Sure the Spade has lead in it but the lead is well encapsulated in resin so doesn't really come in contact with the water. And besides it's well away up deep inside where it can never be got at by anything that will rub small bits off that may get eaten and in to the food chain. Basically the Spades lead would have zero environmental impact except if a whole one got eaten by a whale maybe. I somehow think that is un-likely.

The Raya doesn't have any lead so it's all good there just like the Rocna or Supreme.

So I hear you say "Why does GMac think the Rocna and Supreme are not as nice to the environment at the other 2?". Good question, let me answer that as it is very simple and very easy to verify.

Drag all 4 anchors through the seabed, all will drag given the right conditions. Now go back and look at the seabed they dragged through. If you look real close at the Rocna website video, assuming it hasn't been edited again and you can just see it.

The Spade and Raya leave a small hump in the seabed with a small slice type mark in the middle of the hump. They leave a surprisingly small mark. Do the same to the Rocna and Supreme and there is a big mess of very disturbed seabed left behind. This extends outwards from the edge of the anchor another 20% there abouts of the anchors width. So if your anchor is 400mm wide the disturbed track will measure approx 600mm.

I do really think this disturbance a big nothing in the big scheme of things and you could possibly argue the disturbed seabed may stir up some food for the local wild life so it's actually a good thing. But if a hardened Greenie saw the tracks left by all 4 anchors, I bet you they'll be hunting down Rocna and Supreme owners long before the Spade or Raya owners.

Just one bloke view on the environmental issue, or non-issue as he actually sees it. But far be it for me to stand in the way of 'interesting' marketing

Celestialsailor · 12-02-2009, 01:19

"Issues with the Chinese" ...Hmmmm. I've never heard of that before!

neelie · 12-02-2009, 05:59

Apparently, if there is a bit of lead in an an anchor then it defines the owner as being "un-green".

Thus, by that definition, if there is several tons of lead in a keel then the owner must be an environmental terrorist?

**Hud3** · 12-02-2009, 06:05

I've got 9,000 lbs of lead in my keel! Maybe I should rename my boat "Osama".

neelie · 12-02-2009, 06:21

Being lead-less, I am standing by to receive a generous discount (>50%) from Raya as part of their campaign to to green up the seas and reduce global lead consumption.

At long last I have finally made it to the high moral ground. And I must say that I do like the view up here.

(Hud: Osama of Virgina doesn't quite set the right tone. I'm thinking... Belle of Tora Bora .. now that has a proper, lead filled sinister ring to it.)

**Ancora Latina** · 12-02-2009, 07:11

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Originally Posted by neelie

Being lead-less, I am standing by to receive a generous discount (>50%) from Raya as part of their campaign to to green up the seas and reduce global lead consumption.

We can talk about that Neelie !..

....but I have to apologize ! I didn’t find your order ?? when did you send it ?

Steve Pope · 12-02-2009, 12:18

Wow!! can I claim a retrospective discount on my Rocna, or would I be disqualified because it is galvanised?

**Ancora Latina** · 12-02-2009, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Steve Pope

Wow!! can I claim a retrospective discount on my Rocna, or would I be disqualified because it is galvanised?

Hi Steve,

No you wouldn’t be disqualified..

But !!! I can’t make a discount on anchor you have bought from the competition !..

Ask Rochna !!!..

MidLandOne · 12-02-2009, 14:25

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Originally Posted by Hud3

I've got 9,000 lbs of lead in my keel! Maybe I should rename my boat "Osama".

About time you changed to using depleted uranium then

.

A little diversion spurred by GMac's comment about whales. I have had a big mako shark determined to eat an anchor while it was being retrieved. The anchor was an around 2 foot wide Danforth style and when I was retrieving it by hand I found that the anchor had a mind of its own. When I got it near the surface I could see a shark which was attacking the anchor and then would hold it in its mouth trying to run off with it.

It only gave up when the anchor came out of the water and I wouldn't have been surprised that had the anchor been smaller it would have gone straight down the shark's gullet.