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07-11-2016, 12:09
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#241
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16 N 82° 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 16,307
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by bobnlesley
Are you Guys still feeding the Troll?
Actually, I suppose that he's worth putting up with/ignoring for the sake of a half decent thread.
Having just anchored at the top of North River east side of the ICW, just before it turns into the narrow/wiggly bit going up to Coinjock in 20-25 knot N/NNE winds that're forecast to increase by another ten knots at least over the next few hours, I'm reminded of another anchoring point that is very much self-inflicted: The 'herd instinct'.
As we pulled into here, we followed two other yachts in who'd possibly had a similar thought to us (Will the Alligator River Bridge open in these winds?) and there was one yacht already anchored when we arrived; we're now sat securely on 60m/200' of chain in 3m/10' water. This is an anchorage that'd accommodate 500+ yachts and even if you held to the belief that 'no swinging circle should ever intersect', you could still fit 50-100 boats in here.
Whilst the nearest of the other three yachts is perhaps Ό mile away on our port beam, the other three are sat together in a group that probably covers no more than a 150m/500' circle. They're all well clear of each other and I'm sure they're well dug in with plenty of scope; the holding appears to be solid so there's no risk in their positions, but given the available space and the likelyhood that we'll not have more than another half dozen boats more likely none joining us during the day, why do we feel the need to group up? It's not even as if there's a bar or open wifi ashore that you might want/need to get close to.
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Same thing happened to me just north of there when I was heading south. Came out of a long canal just before sunset (just like we planned ) and pulled away from the channel to anchor close to the shoreline on the east side of the river. The shoreline was several miles long with the same depths and bottom and not a single other boat. BUT 30 minutes after we anchored another boat comes out of the canal, pulls over and anchors about 75 meters away. Oh well.
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07-11-2016, 13:05
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#242
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Palm Bay Florida
Posts: 274
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by skipmac
Same thing happened to me just north of there when I was heading south. Came out of a long canal just before sunset (just like we planned ) and pulled away from the channel to anchor close to the shoreline on the east side of the river. The shoreline was several miles long with the same depths and bottom and not a single other boat. BUT 30 minutes after we anchored another boat comes out of the canal, pulls over and anchors about 75 meters away. Oh well.
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People love to get into a line.
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07-11-2016, 14:41
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#243
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Florida
Boat: Scout 30
Posts: 3,112
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by skipmac
Same thing happened to me just north of there when I was heading south. Came out of a long canal just before sunset (just like we planned ) and pulled away from the channel to anchor close to the shoreline on the east side of the river. The shoreline was several miles long with the same depths and bottom and not a single other boat. BUT 30 minutes after we anchored another boat comes out of the canal, pulls over and anchors about 75 meters away. Oh well.
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This happens to us all the time. I guess it's the herd mentality. Very irritating.
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07-11-2016, 14:52
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#244
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 9,758
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by kmacdonald
I see in your signature that you have a Rocna 10. I have the same anchor for my Capri 22. Are you sure it's big enough for a 34 footer?
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Yes, I am. I sized the anchoring system, as noted in the link.
Anchor System Sizing Tables (Reply #6) & Why Swivels are a bad idea Ground Tackle & Anchor System Sizing TABLES & Swivels
It worked for me for 18 years. I have recently moved our boat from SF to Vancouver Island. I will need to reevaluate my gear.
Your means and methods of "conversation" leave a lot to be desired. Man, I've been on boating forums for 15 years and would never resort to telling someone else that their gear should be questioned in quite the way you just did.
You know, like I could have said: BTW, your anchor is oversized for your boat.
But I didn't.
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Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Mill Bay, BC, SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
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07-11-2016, 15:43
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#245
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16 N 82° 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 16,307
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by Spade Anchor
People love to get into a line.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout 30
This happens to us all the time. I guess it's the herd mentality. Very irritating.
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All the above I think are a part of it but my theory is a lot of people are unsure of their anchoring and think "if that guy is anchored over there then that must be where I should be".
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The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
Sometimes it's necessary to state the obvious for the benefit of the oblivious.
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07-11-2016, 15:46
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#246
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43 and OPBs
Posts: 12,891
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by skipmac
All the above I think are a part of it but my theory is a lot of people are unsure of their anchoring and think "if that guy is anchored over there then that must be where I should be".
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Alternatively: the depth and holding must be good over there.
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07-11-2016, 16:55
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#247
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Greater Houston Galveston Metroplex
Boat: 1979 Endeavor 32
Posts: 337
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
There is actually a lot of very good natured and common-sense advice exchanged between the volleys. Though common-sense is anything but common, these fora seem the exception. My thanks to the gentle cruisers.
I particularly liked Don C L's and Jim Cate's methods of entering a crowded anchorage by making radio or verbal contact, asking the right questions and giving assurances.
I am surprised that no one actually posted the definition of the term, 'etiquette', though Don, Jim and a few others demonstrated it in their actions. So, with that in mind, was the OP asking about 'Mooring Etiquette', rhetorically?
...and before you ask, yes; this is a sincere question. By the way things have gone, I'm not sure he understands. That's no dig. Just trying to grok.
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07-11-2016, 17:55
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#248
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Easton, MD
Boat: 15' Catboat, Bristol 35.5
Posts: 3,586
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
Sorry Stu. I was just going by the manufacturers recommendations.
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07-11-2016, 19:37
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#249
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16 N 82° 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 16,307
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by StuM
Alternatively: the depth and holding must be good over there.
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Of course it is. That's why I anchored there.
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The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
Sometimes it's necessary to state the obvious for the benefit of the oblivious.
Rust is the poor man's Loctite.
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08-11-2016, 06:52
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#250
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Florida
Boat: Scout 30
Posts: 3,112
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by StuM
Alternatively: the depth and holding must be good over there.
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Of course you could be anchoring next to someone who has no idea what they're doing in the worst spot possible. We cruised in a 26' sharpie with a 15" draft for about 10 years. There were plenty of times when people made the mistake of trying to anchor next to us.
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08-11-2016, 06:59
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#251
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29° 49.16 N 82° 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 16,307
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by Scout 30
Of course you could be anchoring next to someone who has no idea what they're doing in the worst spot possible. We cruised in a 26' sharpie with a 15" draft for about 10 years. There were plenty of times when people made the mistake of trying to anchor next to us.
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I learned to sail on a Morgan OI 36 that drew about 3'6". In addition to anchoring in shallow spots it also surprised a few people that tried to follow me up a shallow channel.
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The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
Sometimes it's necessary to state the obvious for the benefit of the oblivious.
Rust is the poor man's Loctite.
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08-11-2016, 07:17
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#252
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Florida
Boat: Scout 30
Posts: 3,112
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
We got so tired of people anchoring & then ending up on top of our anchor or rode that we started attaching a float to the anchor. It seems to help although there are some that are just oblivious.
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08-11-2016, 07:31
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#253
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Greater Houston Galveston Metroplex
Boat: 1979 Endeavor 32
Posts: 337
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
You may have to resort to a float with a Diver Down flag.
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Originally Posted by Scout 30
We got so tired of people anchoring & then ending up on top of our anchor or rode that we started attaching a float to the anchor. It seems to help although there are some that are just oblivious.
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08-11-2016, 08:22
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#254
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Jacksonville/ out cruising
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 31,348
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
You guys have me worried, I try to avoid crowds like the plague.
Funny thing is, they always anchor in the same spot, doesn't matter at all if its a lee shore. Its the anchoring spot you know.
I never anchor within 100 yds of someone, and if someone anchors close to me, I move. I have lots of rode and can accept a less than ideal depth and spot to be by myself.
I guess I will have to learn to live with people on top of me, but I'm not looking forward to that.
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08-11-2016, 08:36
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#255
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 11,004
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Re: Mooring Etiquette : Questions
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
You guys have me worried, I try to avoid crowds like the plague.
Funny thing is, they always anchor in the same spot, doesn't matter at all if its a lee shore. Its the anchoring spot you know.
I never anchor within 100 yds of someone, and if someone anchors close to me, I move. I have lots of rode and can accept a less than ideal depth and spot to be by myself.
I guess I will have to learn to live with people on top of me, but I'm not looking forward to that.
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Good plan but not always practical unless you limit yourself to truly isolated locations. The problem is that rules out a lot of great areas and may force you to do an offshore passage when you might prefer day hops.
Example: If you are going up and down the ICW, there are areas where all the decent anchorages in an area are crowded. There is no reasonable anchorage where you can anchor 100m from any other boat...and as described, there is nothing to stop the next boat in from anchoring 50m from you, so even in an isolated anchorage, you can't count on 100m open space.
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