Mooring Etiquette : Questions

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by boatman61

You can lead a horse to water.. but you can't make them drink.
Vaguely remember someone on here a few years back putting forth the anchor stern to technique.. till they tried a windy weekend in Studland Bay.. needless stress on the rudder.

It is true, however, that anchoring by the stern stops sailing at anchor. The Jordan Drogue guy wrote a good explanation.

Of theoretical interest only to someone like me with almost half a ton of ground tackle to handle.

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[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

It is true, however, that anchoring by the stern stops sailing at anchor. The Jordan Drogue guy wrote a good explanation.

Of theoretical interest only to someone like me with almost half a ton of ground tackle to handle.

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The main reason for anchoring from the stern is to prevent sailing at anchor and thereby preventing chafe. The stern of a boat is also more buoyant and can rise with the waves but every hull behaves differently. Sailing at anchor also puts more strain on the ground tackle for obvious reasons.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

It is true, however, that anchoring by the stern stops sailing at anchor. The Jordan Drogue guy wrote a good explanation.

Of theoretical interest only to someone like me with almost half a ton of ground tackle to handle.

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The difference between the Jordan drogue and the anchor is with the first your riding with the sea's and minimum resistance.. with the ground anchor your totally resisting the sea's.
Its one thing to play games in dinghies in a lake but I'd not recommend it in something like your boat DH..
Regarding rafting up.. check out the American Invasion of Canada..

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Jim, I'm not looking for your or anyone else's agreement. I just stated what has worked for me. If you don't like it don't do it. As for the original post, I said he was wrong not to move along with several others. We will just have to disagree on it.

Eleven boats, not ten. Can't you get anything right? It's like you ran out of digits.

Well, you are right about the boat count. I took off a shoe and then I got eleven, just like you.

And, surprisingly, I agree that in the OP's place, I'd have moved or more likely, not anchored quite so close in the first place, even though I don't think what he described was a danger to either boat. The etiquette to which we are all alluding really does demand it IMO.

But you have posted that one should never anchor with overlapping swinging circles. Is that one of the things that you have done in your thousands of nights at anchor? Always? Really? Rather astonishing if so... for a great many anchorages do not really lend themselves to that practice.

Finally, once again you have failed to respond to a straight forward question... I'll try again: you have accused me of being jealous, and being not pretty in so being. The question is : of what am I supposed to be jealous? How can I defend myself if you won't tell me? Perhaps you are right and I need to mend my ways... who knows when you are so secretive. Or was it just another random insult like the others with which you pepper your posts?

Jim

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The difference between the Jordan drogue and the anchor is with the first your riding with the sea's and minimum resistance.. with the ground anchor your totally resisting the sea's.
Its one thing to play games in dinghies in a lake but I'd not recommend it in something like your boat DH..
Regarding rafting up.. check out the American Invasion of Canada..

Yes, you may be right. I've not tried it.

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[thinwater]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Eleven boats, not ten. Can't you get anything right? It's like you ran out of digits.

9 day sailers + 2 tenders.

Yes, I like dinghy and beach cat sailing, and in many ways it is the best part. But I'm sure what it has to do with the thread.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by markpierce

Stay away from me if you want to avoid spider cracks. Pictured sailors do it right.

Get me away from that beast!

Or maybe I'll just raft up to you

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[CarinaPDX]

I fear I may have created some confusion. While I had been talking to Don Jordan about the mini-drogues, his comment I referred to here was regarding anchoring in harbor, not at sea.

Greg

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

I fear I may have created some confusion. While I had been talking to Don Jordan about the mini-drogues, his comment I referred to here was regarding anchoring in harbor, not at sea.

Greg

I think we're all talking about anchoring in harbor or at least some kind of anchorage. Who anchors at sea?

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[StuM]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

A raft-up. For professional use only. Please don't try this at home.

Toy boats. Apparently the only one's you've sailed.

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Or was it just another random insult like the others with which you pepper your posts?

Jim

Would you like a little salt to go with it?

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I think we're all talking about anchoring in harbor or at least some kind of anchorage. Who anchors at sea?

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I do every chance I get! Just kidding.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by CarinaPDX

Years ago I had been in communication with Don Jordan (of the mini-drogues) and he had commented about how much better boats ride to anchor stern-to. I had offered that the exposed rudder was a bad idea, and he responded that the forces were quite small because there was very little water movement - lashing amidships would be sufficient. I never tried it. It would certainly expose the cockpit, and below when the hatch is opened, to the weather. It would also be much more difficult to recover the anchor, or even motor off a lee shore should the anchor drag. Reversing into a stern anchor rode could get ugly real fast. In the real world a bad idea IMHO.

Greg

The more usual ways to stop sailing at anchor is a spring off the chain or a riding sail. I used to use the first technique on my previous boat, but haven't needed it on this boat, who doesn't dance at anchor, bless her (25 tons is good for something at least).

But I think the late Mr. Jordan was talking about extreme conditions. I've never had to anchor in a hurricane, but you read about how boats saw through one snubber after another with all the violent yawing. Anchoring by the stern might be good in that situation. A big challenge however would be keeping the sheets of rain from being blown past the companionway washboards.

I don't think the rudder would be at any big risk from water -- water in waves moves up and down. But your point about getting the anchor rode tangled in stern gear is well taken.

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[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Must be the "new math".

What is that supposed to mean?

Let me guess - you don't know how to figure scope.


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[SofiaB]

You are the skipper. You are responsible. You worry about your crews safety and let others worry about themselves. Isnt that all we can do? Isnt that all we can do in any situation whether on your boat or in any other situation? If you make a bad decision hopefully you have good insurance or just have a good stock of beer on board. Having some repair skills may also take care of the situation if you judged that shXt wrong. Judge it, drop it, watch it and then have a drink to celebrate that you made it safely to your destination. Not that difficult.