Mediterranean Mooring

[DoubleWhisky]

By the way - separate gang plank should not be tied permanently even only to the boat. After use better to store it on board, or alongside the quay side, just behind the boat - what more convenient at any given time

[weavis]

Hey DoubleWhisky

You wouldnt happen to have a an old school friend that you work with called Marek would you?

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by weavis

Hey DoubleWhisky

You wouldnt happen to have a an old school friend that you work with called Marek would you?

A lot of guys of this name around
I sent a PM to You

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

I can't reverse in as I have davits and a RIB hanging off the stern



So bows-to it is for me. Interestingly, in all the Baltic harbors I've been in by now, I haven't seen anyone berthed stern-to the quay.

A man of your calibre should really install a nice hydraulic bezzonni passarelle these will easily reach past the davitts from the stern quarter.

Have you seen the ones fitted to the latest Amels.

Dave

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

A man of your calibre should really install a nice hydraulic bezzonni passarelle these will easily reach past the davitts from the stern quarter.

Have you seen the ones fitted to the latest Amels.

Dave

I think You meant Besenzoni actually, but there are some other makers. It is not necessarily so expensive thing

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

May be it is possible (with not so big RIB) to install the quarter passarelle, but I'm not so sure, I don't know exactly how broad is Moody's 54 stern at deck level. If possible, quarter passarelle -even installed at some angle - would be definitely better choice.

Obviously we both try to talk Dockhead into the same investment

Cheers,

Tomasz

[DoubleWhisky]

In another thread at this forum waybad asked about number and length of mooring lines, suitable for anchoring with stern to quay or the shore.
I answered, by i think this topic belong to this thread.

My set of mooring lines was shortly described in initial post of this thread, but i do intend to replace the whole inventory, as the present lines are quite worn out.
My plan is to have:

1. One line of 100 meters;
2. Two lines of 50 meters each;
3. Four lines of 25 meters each;
4. Eight lines of 15 meters each

for the boat of 16 meters length.


100 meters line is the longest my wife can quite comfortably operate from dinghy. It is rolled up on plastic reel - it make things more comfortable. Such long line is sometime necessary in coves with shallows at the end.
50 meters lines are good at most time. Being tied to shore by two lines is often more comfortable, and useful if V-anchored.
25 meters lines are the good length if You do need to build "spider web" in harbour in extreme crosswinds. Many (mainly charter bareboats) are lacking enough of lines on board, so better have more to share.
15 meters lines are good as warps, springs and additional "spider web" lines
I used to carry warps of two lengths - 12 and 15 meters, but it made only for added mess, so I decided to have all of the same length.


All are and are to be Liros Moorex mooring lines - I do not remember the size at the moment, but it is probably 18 mm. with breaking load of 5400 kgf. They are reliable, easy to tie and quite nice to work with. They elasticity is more than 20 %, so they absorb the shock loads quite well.


Best regards,


Tomasz

[Hydra]

On a 9m (30') boat, I have:
-1 100m 16mm octoplait (never used in anger)
-1 100m 10mm braid (retired climbing rope)
-1 50m 11mm braid (retired climbing rope)
-2 20m 16mm
-2 20m 14mm
-4 10m 14mm

The 100m and 50m lines are necessary when "Med mooring" in the Bay of Biscay where the tide exceeds 4m and we can't stay close to shore. On the picture, Hydra is the leftmost one, 20m from the edge of water, so roughly 30m from the rock where the line is made fast.

The 20m lines are very useful when rafting alongside and we are the 3rd or 4th boat from the quay or pontoon.

Alain

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by Hydra

On a 9m (30') boat, I have:
-1 100m 16mm octoplait (never used in anger)
-1 100m 10mm braid (retired climbing rope)
-1 50m 11mm braid (retired climbing rope)
-2 20m 16mm
-2 20m 14mm
-4 10m 14mm

The 100m and 50m lines are necessary when "Med mooring" in the Bay of Biscay where the tide exceeds 4m and we can't stay close to shore. On the picture, Hydra is the leftmost one, 20m from the edge of water, so roughly 30m from the rock where the line is made fast.

The 20m lines are very useful when rafting alongside and we are the 3rd or 4th boat from the quay or pontoon.

Alain

I think it is very reasonable set. I thought myself about adding another 100 meters line, but decided against it. I need such a line extremely rarely and it is quite cumbersome. If really necessary, I can use two 50 meters lines tied together, as a secondary stern line. You have much more use for such a lengths in Your area

Bretagne is so beatiful - I felt myself there just like living a fairy tale...

Cheers,

Tomasz

[carstenb]

Here in the Baltic, I've so far found this adequate:

2 x 40 meter 16mm
2 x 30 meter 16mm
4 x 20 meter 16mm
1 x 50 meter 14mm

12 meter 10 ton boat

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by carstenb

Here in the Baltic, I've so far found this adequate:

2 x 40 meter 16mm
2 x 30 meter 16mm
4 x 20 meter 16mm
1 x 50 meter 14mm

12 meter 10 ton boat

You do not need something as long as 100 meters at Baltic, I suppose.
You are also more weight and space sensitive than me. I now that my set is a boatload of lines and I can do without shorter mooring warps, but it is a matter of convenience, as I have enough space

[carstenb]

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky

You do not need something as long as 100 meters at Baltic, I suppose.
You are also more weight and space sensitive than me. I now that my set is a boatload of lines and I can do without shorter mooring warps, but it is a matter of convenience, as I have enough space

yes there is a slight difference in the storage space between a 40 footer and a 56 footer

Many here in Denmark think we are crazy with the two fouty meter -but I've used a number of times - especially when rafting up in marinas

[DoubleWhisky]

Originally Posted by carstenb

yes there is a slight difference in the storage space between a 40 footer and a 56 footer

Many here in Denmark think we are crazy with the two fourty meter -but I've used a number of times - especially when rafting up in marinas

On my side I do not need to care much about rafting - did it three or for times during twenty years
On the other hand to tie a boat to the shore in the preety shallow cove one need some lines, and rather long ones

[DoubleWhisky]

As we are discussing mooring lines here, I want to remind a great post
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ml#post1513341 made earlier in this thread by El Pinguino.
He described thoroughly his set up of shore lines for mooring in caletas of the far South.
I'm not so sure what "full coil" and "half coil" mean exactly, but looking at the photos attached I'm quite sure it is not less than 2 X 100 m. and 2 X 50 m., presumable even more.
Quite surely, there are also other, shorter warps on board.
The idea of storing the shore lines in big bags looks very neat to me, but I assume one need to be very tidy with the lines, in order to not extract a messed spaghetti of the line from the bag!

[DoubleWhisky]

Hi to all participating in this thread

I just noticed that a thread exceeded 10.000 views
Starting it I didn't ever dreamed about this.
Thank You very much Noelex77 and JonJo for encouraging me to start and animate this thread

And now we can come back to the proper set of mooring lines...

Cheers,

Tomasz

[chasfgr]

Whilst very interesting the thread pays no attention to a large minority of Med sailors, the single-hander in a small boat.
In Myrina, Lemnos, last week, these constituted 25% of the 12 boats tied at the quay.
Most single-handers seem to prefer bows to - mainly because they don't have remote control electric windlasses and they have more control.
Another category of boat which could be well advised to go bows-to is the long-keel, uncontrollable-in-reverse boat, especially when there's limited manoeuvring space.
In the12 years I've been in the Med (and excluding alongside pontoon berths),
I've tied up bows-to 5/383 occasions (and one of those, in Vathi, Ithica was a disaster due to fouling by a large towel on the bottom).
Whilst many prefer a tape on a pulpit mounted reel, I stick to chain and textile, 25m 7mm chain and 50m of 12mm octoplait. Of the two, I've found the 5kg Delta more successful than 25lb Danforth. Having seen the results from the Fortress used in the same manner I suspect neither digs down sufficiently in the churned-up (generally) mud in most harbours.
Usual scope is 5/12:1.
I aim for my proposed mooring spot, start the anchor chain running @ 4 knots and drop to tick-over (about 2 knots) two boat lengths from the quay, slowing and stopping the boat on the (desirably) textile rode, with the boat keeping tension and position on the anchor I scramble ashore and make fast my two 12m x 1/2" dockline warps. Usually one has help getting the lines on.
The Delta, usually, is completely buried, with even the stock dug in and only the chain showing.
I'm usually 1m - 1.2m off the quay (the number of boats regularly damaged by the arrival of the night-ferry in Vis was considerable). I use a modified 2.4m aluminum ladder as passarelle, on the pulpit cut-out.
The disadvantage of bows to is that the triangulation of the two shoreside warps is far less that a boat stern-to - so using a bridle is frequently necessary. In Myrina harbour with a crosswind meltemi, my boat was moving sideways less than many of the stern-moored boats.
The Delta has only dragged twice (fouled by an old mooring rope and sheer windforce in Zante).

Sorry about the mix in units - that's what they all are, the Danforth pre-1974, the dockline from the US.
I find dockline far better than black (presumably roundline polyester) more elasticity and less creep but easily chafed.