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01-02-2012, 14:52
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Blue Mountain Ont
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 400 40 ft "Camp David
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Knock Off Anchors
I sail a Beneteau Oceanis 400. Have 150ft of 5/16 ht chain, 150ft of 8 plait 5/8 anchor line. Lewmar Horizon windlass. danforth as a secondary anchor.
I am looking to up grade my CQR 35 lb anchor and want something shiny.
Late week at the Toronto Boat Show I asked if there was only one anchor what would I buy. I recieved an answer " Delta".
My question, is a 45 lb Delta big enough for Geogian Bay and the ICW down to Florida. Are the knock offs ok? Is there a major diference with a shiny SS knock off verus a steel Lewmar, they are about the same price.
Is there another anchor I should look at?
Fletch
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01-02-2012, 15:13
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S/V rubber ducky
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Florida cruising currently
Boat: Hunter 410
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Re: Knock off anchors
Is the price difference between a knockoff and the real thing worth the risk of your boat to you?
Far as a 45# for a 40' boat, maybe! On my 41' boat I replaced my 35# real Delta with a 60# Manson Surpreme. For the use and peace of mind the extra $150 was nothing in the big picture.
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01-02-2012, 15:27
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore"
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Re: Knock off anchors
Fletch,
Get a 45# Manson Supreme. Much superior to the Delta.
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Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
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01-02-2012, 15:41
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Portishead UK
Boat: Dudley Dix Hout Bay 33
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Re: Knock off anchors
Here's a rip-off anchor. Would you really want one? Admittedly this is a Bruce not a Delta but......
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Somewhere at sea
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01-02-2012, 16:11
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
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Re: Knock off anchors
The Delta is a decent anchor and 45# is OK for your boat and your cruising grounds. Your current rode is also good. You can do better with the Manson Supreme or Spade anchors, but they will cost more.
A 45# delta at Defender costs $300. I would not go anywhere near a stainless knockoff sold at that price. I would get a Chinese Rocna before that.
Mark
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01-02-2012, 16:31
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: sausalito
Boat: 14 meter sloop
Posts: 7,260
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Re: Knock off anchors
A 45# Delta came with my boat. Dragged twice the first month. Traded it to a buddy for a good bottle of wine, and after he dragged it he traded it to someone else for an okay bottle of wine.
I replaced the Delta with a Rocna 25kg., and haven't dragged on it once in more than 5 years.
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01-02-2012, 17:00
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Location: Presently on US East Coast
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Re: Knock off anchors
A 45# delta is undersized for your boat. A 55# Rocna is more appropriate. The OP's boat is quite a bit smaller and lighter than yours. I have cruised extensively in the Georgian Bay and East coast US and a 45# delta for his boat in those grounds will be fine.
Definitely an equivalent rocna, supreme or spade would be better, but he would be OK, if not better off than many others he will be anchored next to, with that sized delta.
Mark
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01-02-2012, 17:08
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Montegut LA.
Boat: Now we need to get her to Louisiana !! she's ours
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Re: Knock off anchors
Don't know the bottom where your talking about, but if its sand or mud, gravel a REAL Danforth will work also, course us old guys do tend to go with what we know!! just a thought Bob and Connie
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01-02-2012, 17:36
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
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Re: Knock off anchors
There are many ways to build a copy anchor. At least one of them is good.
We have a Danforth copy here purchased very cheap and it is an outstanding anchor. We also have a CQR copy which is (beeeep) at the bottom of a deep locker.
Delta has good reputation. I am going to get one for our ship too.
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01-02-2012, 17:43
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Re: Knock off anchors
I would skip SS for an anchor. Get a better and/or heavier anchor in galvanized. Stick to name brands that you know will work. Some knock offs might be fine, but how do you know? I've seen a lot of bent and broken knock offs.
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02-02-2012, 16:46
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,687
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Re: Knock off anchors
Had a copy cat 45lb plow once that would not hold in anything over a breeze. If you are going for a plow type get a genuine CQR.___Grant.
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02-02-2012, 16:55
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: on board, Australia
Boat: 11meter Power catamaran
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Re: Knock off anchors
If you want an anchor to anchor could only recommend the new generation anchors.
Manson, SARCA, Spade, Rocna.
If only to be bright and shiney what ever is cheap and looks good.
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02-02-2012, 17:24
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,190
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Re: Knock off anchors
I wouldn't screw with a cheap anchor. Save money on teak widgets in the galley or sell the outboard and use oars. I've got a boat smaller than yours and I rock a 60lb manson supreme. Looks crazy up there on the bowsprit.
Additionally, it's big enough that you could hide behind it in a gun fight.
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02-02-2012, 17:24
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Queensland, Australia
Boat: None at present--between vessels. Ex Piver Loadstar 12.5 metres
Posts: 1,463
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Re: Knock off anchors
Apparently some picks were made of the wrong steel grade. I think it is fixed now though. I have a 60 pounds Manson on my little trimaran, as well as a thirty pounds Manson.
--I agree. Go for the Manson Supreme,
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02-02-2012, 17:57
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Queensland, Australia
Boat: None at present--between vessels. Ex Piver Loadstar 12.5 metres
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Re: Knock off anchors
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveT
Here's a rip-off anchor. Would you really want one? Admittedly this is a Bruce not a Delta but......
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It is NOT a real Bruce though--just a crap copy. Bruce small anchors are not made anymore--and those around still are in demand.
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