It's True! The Mantus 65-lb. hooks first time, everytime.

[JonJo]

Thank you Greg,

Interesting post.

I do recall your telling me you were to introduce a shank that would cope with hard sand and also mud - I do not recall the ASTM 514, as being definite. The dual purpose shank did not materialise? Mention was made of the doubts on shank weakness in an American publication - this produced no qualification from you. The change is pretty significant, but merited no mention in any promotion? But I will check the correspondence. But the changes have been kept under tight wraps.

But I note you suggest that if people might want a strong shank they buy a Bruce or CQR , might you also suggest they buy a Rocna, Supreme - which have both a concave fluke and a shank with a strength double yours. In fact virtually any branded anchor has a shank stronger than yours. I wonder if its just me, why on earth do they all have such strong shanks?

But Greg - its not me you need convince, its the customer base.

Jonathan

[sailorboy1]

this seems like it is becoming a 1 person trashing mission

[Delancey]

Originally Posted by colemj

Probably better said as breaking a Chinese anchor is about as common as Chinese chain breaking.

Mark

Curious to know how this anchor broke? How the pieces were recovered?

[congo]

Delancey

You see many of these examples at anchor testing stations where as a company brings them in from China for certification on high holding power, I have no idea if this is relevant to that anchor but this is where a standrd roots out faulty anchors, a proof test will snap a poorly cast shank every time.

CEO of Anchor Right Australia.

[colemj]

Originally Posted by JonJo

I have forgotten but where are these anchors made?

There is nothing wrong with product made in China - its the specification and quality control that are critical. I am not aware of Rocna's (under CMP) nor CMP chain failing - but correct me if I am wrong.

Jonathan

I meant "Chinese knock-off anchor" and "generic Chinese chain". Of course, products made in China for other companies to their specs are fine. iPhones wouldn't be so beloved and expensive otherwise.

But there are a lot of those anchors and a lot of generic chain out there in most chandleries.

BTW, I think that broken anchor is a Lewmar Claw - not exactly a generic knock-off.

Mark

[colemj]

Originally Posted by Delancey

Curious to know how this anchor broke? How the pieces were recovered?

That particular anchor fell 2' onto a concrete floor and the cast shank snapped. The person who was unloading these anchors reported that a disturbing number of them have broke over time in similar circumstances.

Mark

[s/v Beth]

Greg - no reason to get drunk. Someone is opinionated on CF. So what. You have this cruiser sold, and I am currently looking for a replacement to my CQR. To get the new shank what is the best place for retail? Do you sell off your website?

[Fortress]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

this seems like it is becoming a 1 person trashing mission

Sailorboy1,

Just a quick comment about JonJo: I have read several of his anchor test reports, and based upon the thorough and unbiased nature of his articles, I would consider him to be a knowledgeable authority on pleasure craft anchors.

He puts all anchors (including ours) under careful and close scrutiny during his testing, so please don't think that Mantus is being unfairly treated.

He is equally tough on us all, and rightly so!

Safe boating,
Brian

[foolishsailor]

Originally Posted by Fortress

Sailorboy1,

Just a quick comment about JonJo: I have read several of his anchor test reports, and based upon the thorough and unbiased nature of his articles, I would consider him to be a knowledgeable authority on pleasure craft anchors.

He puts all anchors (including ours) under careful and close scrutiny during his testing, so please don't think that Mantus is being unfairly treated.

He is equally tough on us all, and rightly so!

Safe boating,
Brian

There is a difference between being tough and acting in a professional manner, for someone who is supposed to be a professional. I see more of one than the other.


One of the many beauties of this forum is that we attract boaters of all skill levels and also that we have the interest of professionals and companies from the industry who put themselves into the CF "shark tank" to stand up to questions and to offer help and advice.


If someone who is also supposed to be professional acts in a rude and combative manner towards a vendor it diminishes the value of the forum as other vendors see this behaviour and choose not to be involved in the forum.


By all means ask the hard questions - but do it with the decorum and professionalism expected of your profession.

[Therapy]

I see tough points.
Maybe I didn't notice "unprofessional".

Even with the shank as it is I am thinking a Mantus for the next boat.

[s/v Beth]

Therapy- he did come across to me as a little over the top critical, and I don't have a dog in the fight. Just want a good all around anchor. Probably pick one off Amazon.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by Fortress

Sailorboy1,

Just a quick comment about JonJo: I have read several of his anchor test reports, and based upon the thorough and unbiased nature of his articles, I would consider him to be a knowledgeable authority on pleasure craft anchors.

He puts all anchors (including ours) under careful and close scrutiny during his testing, so please don't think that Mantus is being unfairly treated.

He is equally tough on us all, and rightly so!

Safe boating,
Brian

Of all anchor commentators, JonJo is probably the most unbiased source I know of. Certainly others have a lot of knowledge, but if they manufacture anchors you have to take that into consideration, although I have never known either Brian from Fortress or Rex from Anchorite to ever say anything that was either an exaggeration or untrue. However, JonJo is an independent tester, so I assume those criticizing him don't actually understand his approach, which is quite analytic.

Which highlights a legitimate question he has raised that I share. I really don't understand why, if the shank of the Mantus is made of the equivalent of Bisalloy 80 like the Manson or Excel, this isn't mentioned in the promo material for the Mantus? I don't have a reason to doubt the manufacturer, but I would prefer to see the steel spec called out on the Mantus website. Just don't understand why it isn't.

Perhaps it is because they are still selling mild steel shanks after making the decision to go with the metal used by competitors? Are the anchors shanked with mild steel cheaper, or if the same, why would someone want one?

[Mantus Anchors]

Originally Posted by Delfin

Which highlights a legitimate question he has raised that I share. I really don't understand why, if the shank of the Mantus is made of the equivalent of Bisalloy 80 like the Manson or Excel, this isn't mentioned in the promo material for the Mantus? I don't have a reason to doubt the manufacturer, but I would prefer to see the steel spec called out on the Mantus website. Just don't understand why it isn't.

Ok let me make this perfectly CLEAR
There this is no conspiracy!!!!
We clearly stated that our shanks are made of Mild Steel.. on our website, that information was there from the beginning.

Currently,we are in the process of changing our shank material - manufacturing must be completed and inspections passed before anything can be sold or even advertised - probably not until next month.

We continuously looks at ways to improve, innovate & meet market demands.

We could not possibly advertise that we have new material for our shanks, since we do not, we have mild steel shanks and when the new material is available our website will be updated appropriately.

We have always been very transparent with Jonathan, forum members and any potential customer. There has NEVER been any misinformation, and we are always are available to answer questions by phone, email or in this forum. In fact we have disclosed information here about the material transition that we have not even gone public with yet AND offered to replace any older version for people with concerns.

[sabray]

The customer who asked what his shank was made of should have had a real answer. I appreciate your work but obviously you have not changed production and the shank material of all mantus anchors is not in question. You just acknowledged that no change has been made. That's not transparent. Did I miss something?
Just saying you have our standard shank and we may upgrade later would have been honest/ transparent approach. Pm me and I will explain is a dodge .

[Mantus Anchors]

Originally Posted by sabray

The customer who asked what his shank was made of should have had a real answer. I appreciate your work but obviously you have not changed production and the shank material of all mantus anchors is not in question. You just acknowledged that no change has been made. That's not transparent. Did I miss something?
Just saying you have our standard shank and we may upgrade later would have been honest/ transparent approach. Pm me and I will explain is a dodge .

I did answer his question... in a pm bc it was a personal question..
Do you have a question I can help answer?
Geg