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Old 11-10-2013, 23:01   #46
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Re: It's True! The Mantus 65-lb. hooks first time, everytime.

Donít know about other countries but here in Australia we have had many quotes from companies in China and India wanting to produce our product , for instance One thousand 6 K.G. anchors (made to a price) delivered to Australia is approx one third of the cost we can produce them for in Australia. However if you want reasonable quality the price it will be closer to half the amount we can produce our anchors for.

Controlling the Quality can be an issue, anchors are not seen as a high of importance as to their design and build strength, Itís not China or Indiaís fault as it is profit driven, once your product is landed they are yours regardless of what you may find as you pay for all product before delivered, so look out customer, sure you can supply a quality controller to oversee their manufacturing, unfortunately in many situations if it means less profit then the she will be right mate attitude suffices.

And yes thank god there are companies that do employ Quality control to assure consistency of their product, the move to China by many manufacturers is largely bought about by companies before them to produce bigger margins for the distributor, on sellers, for instance if want a company to push your product above other brands, then the product with the higher on selling margin gets the push.

Example when we started twenty years ago a distributor was more than happy with a twenty five per cent mark up, these days companies such as West Marine for instance wonít look at distribution under approx fifty per cent off whole sale.

This is more the reason we do not have distributors in the U.S.A. Manufacturing in Australia you simply cannot compete with opposition companies manufacturing abroad, it also doesnít mean those anchors manufactured whether it be in China or India will be any cheaper than a manufacturer in the USA supplying the same product, just that his profit margin after removing fifty per cent to a wholesaler will see him close down.

How do we do it, well when it comes to verses we sell direct cutting out lots of margin so as when landed it is usually very competitive with the other brands, this method also allows us to manufacture, produce high consistent quality throughout our range, further we have found that not all are looking for cheap, there is still a very healthy market for absolute quality when nothing else will do.

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Re: It's True! The Mantus 65-lb. hooks first time, everytime.

To paint our anchor manufacturers in this light is not appropriate.

Many like Rocna, Fortress, Spade, Mantus and Anchor Right are companies that were started by sailors (or small boat fisherman) with a desire to improve anchor design.

These small companies, each started by one man, have been responsible for much of the innovation we have seen in anchor design over the last decade.

To suggest that a product made with material and welding costs of $79 that subsequently retails for $400 results in a $321 profit, is to ignore commercial realities and basic accounting.

Give them a break. They are not the bad guys.
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This is sooo misrepresented.

First off, you have to construct and finance a factory.
Training a labor force
You have warehousing costs
Transportation, regardless where it is built
Advertising and promotion - someone has to pay for those cheesy videos
Insurance
and so on...

Plus, any marine part/accessory likely goes through several layers of importers, distributors, etc. All getting their piece of the pie.

Plus you have waste and inefficiency - something every manufacturer deals with.

Then there are the freebies given to trade groups and magazines

Plus, any good business plan would have a capital reserve for unexpected issues.

Plus who knows what else!?

Anchors are (to some extent) a commodity item and thus are price sensitive. There is plenty of competition out there to keep the manufacturers mostly honest.

In general, I suspect that the pricing is market correct.
you do not build a factory for a low volume anchor.
when you buy from china, the shipping container goes to your business.
typical chinese order is 1 TEU, and no less.
the prices i gave were American. i know them because i nearly build a 60 ton boat here.






who said they were made in New Zealand?
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Give them a break. They are not the bad guys.
unless you want stainless?
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unless you want stainless?
Why would you want a stainless anchor?, Stainless has the tensile strength of wet cornflakes (especially when its the same thickness of the shank as the gal anchor of which it is a copy). Of course you could beef up the shank (but who does) and then its not a copy and will have different characteristics.

But back to Mantus and roll bar removal?

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Why would you want a stainless anchor?, Stainless has the tensile strength of wet cornflakes (especially when its the same thickness of the shank as the gal anchor of which it is a copy). Of course you could beef up the shank (but who does) and then its not a copy and will have different characteristics.

But back to Mantus and roll bar removal?

Jonathan
stainless has twice the yield strength of A36....
this is not the first time i have heard this misconception.
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I just bought a 105lb mantus and will report back the end of next month on the roll bar issue
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I just bought a 105lb mantus and will report back the end of next month on the roll bar issue
i am sure you will have no issues, enjoy the new anchor!
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stainless has twice the yield strength of A36....
this is not the first time i have heard this misconception.
316 stainless (which is what everyone uses, for anchors - though I have seen rusty ones, maybe 314) and has the tensile strength of wet cornflakes or AISI 316L which no-one uses (for anchors) but has a Tensile Strength of about 500 MPa.

But Mantus Roll Bar removal?

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why is 302 out of the picture?
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Re: It's True! The Mantus 65-lb. hooks first time, everytime.

Actually I was hoping that Mantus, who raised the issue, might respond on Roll Bar removal.

Its they who raised the issue, its their anchor - is it safe to remove the roll bar? Thus making it dig deeper (and have better holding capacity) and being easier to stow on more bow rollers. And if the roll bar is actually unnecessary why was it included in the first place?

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why is 302 out of the picture?


Possibly because anchor makers do not use it?

Why not ask anchor makers

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Possibly because anchor makers do not use it?

Why not ask anchor makers

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i am my anchor maker

and 302 was/is what i will be using.
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i am my anchor maker

and 302 was/is what i will be using.
Best wishes, I am sure you have read all of this:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...it-113178.html

And there are a multitude of other similar threads.

There are many, some, grades of stainless that are stronger then 316 - but 316 is the material of choice for production anchors (and it has the tensile characteristics of wet corn flakes).

But, and it merits another thread (so not to detract from Mantus) why do you want a stainless anchor (even a 302 stainless, and what design are you to improve on?)

Best wishes and Good Luck

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Re: It's True! The Mantus 65-lb. hooks first time, everytime.

i will do a ronca copy. and will most likely buy a danforth as well.
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