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Old 22-04-2023, 07:43   #31
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

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In both cases with poor performance these were 12v systems.

If I read correctly both were also new, either windlass or motor.

QUESTION:
What would occur, what would the symptoms be, if 24VDC motors were provided in lieu of 12VDC motors?

How can one check?

Maybe Lofrans just screwed up and provided the wrong voltage motor?
When we instaled our new 12V Quick windlass a few years ago they shipped a 24v solenoid (very, very small print on the solenoid). Teir response was " it's all we had) I harrassed them into a correct solenoid and all was well.
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

Let's see if this logic works.
A 24vdc motor will have a higher DC resistance than a 12 VDC motor.
If a 24V motor was installed it would develop significantly less power than a 12VDC motor.

But that does not explain blowing the fuse.

P=ExI
1500 = 12xI
1500/12=I = 125A

E=IxR
E/I=R
12/125=0.1R

1500/24=67A
24/67=0.36R

NOW feed a 24V coil with 12V.
E=IxR
E/R=I
12/0.36=33
P=ExI
12×33=400W
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

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In both cases with poor performance these were 12v systems.

If I read correctly both were also new, either windlass or motor.

QUESTION:
What would occur, what would the symptoms be, if 24VDC motors were provided in lieu of 12VDC motors?

How can one check?

Maybe Lofrans just screwed up and provided the wrong voltage motor?
If you powered a 24V motor with 12V it would run, just at significantly lower speed, even at zero load.
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

I removed the windlass from my boat the other day and noticed the electrical connections were sandwiched between two stainless steel washers. Stainless is not a very good conductor of electricity. That might be something to look at!
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I removed the windlass from my boat the other day and noticed the electrical connections were sandwiched between two stainless steel washers. Stainless is not a very good conductor of electricity. That might be something to look at!
So you prefer washers that rust?

There are many, many washers in the electrical system of a boat and I'm not an expert but common sense tells me they are to keep the nut off the connectors for secure connection, not to conduct electricity. They should be under the nut and over the connectors, correct?
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

re capacity of lofrans tigress
i have one of those windlasses i assume 37 yrs old on a jeanneau with 55lb spade/12mm chain , at and 100 ft of depth will easily lift it all off the bottom.
with the high amperage you mention i would inspect
1-if its a newer unit that you have a 24volt motor running on 12v system
2-if it is an older unit i would inspect for a wiring issue high resistance low voltage etc starting at the motor measuring amperage and voltage under load
3-and then possibly the motor itself brushes winding fault etc
4 i have also seen the main shaft on those windlasses get twisted if severely loaded if that causes binding it will also increase the amperage reduce the power .

when my tigres slowed down got weak i started the inspection at the wiring. measured voltage and current under load. with lower voltage and higher amperage than expected can't recall the numbers sorry . found lots of wiring problems . it turned out jeanneau had installed the 90 ft of cable to the windlass in a smaller gauge than required. much too difficult to replace so installed a battery in the bow to boost voltage and lower draw that helped. as someone here mentioned running the engine at high idle for a few minutes prior to and during use really helps keep the voltage up.
what ended up being the main problem was oil that had leaked past the rear windlass seal and into the motor mixing with the graphite dust and rust to make a sludge that produced tremendous friction in the motor from armature rotating in that paste as well that paste caused the brushes to stick. the oil seal had been installed incorrectly allowing oil to leak past
it is important to get all the pieces between the motor and windlass gear in the correct order on reassembly. my windlass was not assembled in the correct order. you mention the brushes moving freely. you may want to check they are not sticking at the bottom of slide and that the connector is allowing them enough range to seat easily on commutator. that does happen as the brushes wear down . on those motors which are very reliable the most common problem is brushes hanging up. if you need brushes that aren't available locally you can grind or file down larger bushes till they fit the slide.
there are i believe three different 1500 was motors available for that windlass with two different shaft sizes to sort those variables out you need the serial number of the windlass or date of manufacture and or the shaft size the newest motors come in two pieces not one piece as in the past now you have to purchase the correct flange as well as the motor base
if you are on the west coast of canada ReKord/victory have the newer motors and flanges in stock as well as the rebuild kit for the tigress windlass including the seals they are not sure if they have the older motor with the different diameter shaft in stock.
i can check the voltage and amperage at my motor in loaded and unloaded state if you wish

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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

Grace, rust is not something I want. I was just explaining the experience on my boat and what I found, just something to look at. Your right you can use a stainless nut and washer as long as the lug is first in contact with the mounting bolt.
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

Thanks.
A lot of usefultechnical points
I cannot finf "ReKord/victory"
Could you provide more info?
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Re: How to solve weakness in Lofrans Tigres windlass

Loffrans cayman 1000W can lift 2000+ kg from 30 meter. i catch with anchor sink 7-8 meter boat from 30 meter depth. he struggling pull this but after cabin go in 2 pieces he easily pull rest. proff


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