Delta vs CQR, sizing, etc.

[craigsmith]

I must say I am continually irritated by this sort of statement, by people that happily admit they have a half dozen different types of anchors...

Originally Posted by lastconch

No one anchor is right for all bottoms or conditions.

...given the lack of logic involved. If you have not tried every single type of anchor in the world, how could you possibly be sure of this?

I will go one step further and repeat myself once again: a good general purpose anchor will work in every environment that any supposedly specialist type would.

Having a bunch of different anchors merely because you have no true confidence in any of them is no solution.

Originally Posted by Rodz

Craig, I hope you have not taken my note about the weather seriously, have you???

I'm afraid I did.

Anyway my point was it's less of a variable than a constant. Look at the fine print of many sizing charts, and you will find what that constant is set to (usually 20 or 30 knots!)...

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by lastconch

... The force wind increases by a power of 4. What held in 25 knots will slide easly in one gust of 50 knots ...

The energy content of the wind varies with the cube (power of 3) of the average wind speed; hence, a doubling of the wind speed will produce eight times as much energy.

[lastconch]

[QUOTE=craigsmith]I must say I am continually irritated by this sort of statement, by people that happily admit they have a half dozen different types of anchors...


Every serious cruiser must irritate you. None I know and respect thinks any one style anchor is god's gift to the cruising sailor. Every design makes compromises, even if it's just to fit on a bow roller. (the last place I'd leave an anchor underway.
You have to be a vendor/sales rep for? Hopes this irritates you even more.

[Brent Swain]

German tests show that a 35 lb delta has the same holdiing power as a 47 lb CQR. The reason is because the thicker shank of a CQR keeps it on the surface of the sand whereas the sharpened shank of a delta lets it sink much deeper. Puting wire rope near the delta enhances the ability of the shank to sink in.Chain resists cutting into a hard bottom.
Brent

[Maine Sail]

Why buy a Model A (CQR) or a Model T (Delta) when you can buy a new 2008 Lexus (Rocna)?

I have yet to find a bottm I can't set my Rocna in and believe me I'm trying!

To my wifes dismay, and in a state of pre season boredom, I hooked my Rocna to my trailer hitch and set it in my thick and lucious lawn in less than three feet. I then connected my CQR and proceded to pull it over 150 feet in the same lawn without even scratching the surface or damaging the grass!!!!

Go ahead and buy a CQR or a Delta but please stay out of Maine if you do. We alrady have enough people dragging those anchors around coves up here and we don't need any more....

Seriously I have two genuine CQR's I'll sell you! Take your choice a 25lb or a CQR 35Lb but I will make you promise to never vist my home waters with it on the bow...

[lastconch]

Is this an intelligent discussion and sharing of information, or a direct mail advertizing site for RONCO or is it (AMCE ie roadrunner) products.
You don't irritate me but this is annoying.

[Brent Swain]

I've rarely dragged my delta

[CSY Man]

or a direct mail advertizing site for RONCO

Craig is not doing a direct mail ad, he is however putting out plenty of info and "heads-up" on the next generation anchor.

I bought one of them Rocnas and so far I am happy.

Spent quite a few years of my life on the water and anchors are serious stuff.

Did not get any % or $ for preaching the party line so this is on my nickel:

I belive the Rocna anchors are really good and there is no better product out there for the price or the size.

(I have owned a 66# Bruce, a 45# CQR, a 35 CQR, a 55# Delta, Danforth 35, Fortress 55, 23, and many others)

[GMac]

2 small tidy ups -

Gords post earlier is a tad off.
6kg is 13lb not 25. 25lb is a tad over 11kilos. Just for those viewers using that way old measurement system

I will go one step further and repeat myself once again: a good general purpose anchor will work in every environment that any supposedly specialist type would.

85-90% correct. Some anchors will do better than others in differing bottom types. No one anchor as yet will do a 100% job in 100% of bottoms. There is a few getting close though.

You are still better picking an anchor for the bottom type you're in most of the time rather than on looks and price. Distance cruisers need to be more versitile though.

Don't laugh many pick anchors based only on those 2 criteria. Sold a Spade the other month purely cause 'she' like red. Yes I know they are usually yellow, we painted it especially for her. Luckily she picked a good anchor under the apparently more important colour. Go figure

Back to the original post -
Holy c**p batman, a 5kg claw. Throw it as far as you can as fast as you can. Same with the 10.
Delta over CQR anyday, no question.
Is there any better than Delta? Absolutely. My list has at least 6, probably more if I thought about it, Rocna being one. The Delta is OK though.

I'm carrying 1 anchor, actually 2 exactly the same currently. My boat is currently full Category 2. 32ft at around 7000lb, 18lb of anchors all up and sleep like a baby. How's that grab you lastconch? 6 of them, I don't know if I could handle all the 'which one this time?'.

[blahman]

How do the Mason anchors compare to Rocna's?

I had been planning to switch from my CQR to a Delta as primary, CQR secondary. But the Mason and Rocna anchors intrigue me.

I live in SW FL and anchor mostly in sand, mud and thin grass. 20,000 lb full keel boat.

Thanks for your time!
Aaron N.

[Vasco]

The Mason'll do you fine and it's a lot more reasonable than the Rocna. I got one last year and it's excellent for FL and the Bahamas.

[craigsmith]

Originally Posted by blahman

How do the Mason anchors compare to Rocna's?

I had been planning to switch from my CQR to a Delta as primary, CQR secondary. But the Mason and Rocna anchors intrigue me.

I live in SW FL and anchor mostly in sand, mud and thin grass. 20,000 lb full keel boat.

You will find above a table from testing comparing the two, independent comments.

Otherwise you might consider whether you would use a knock off CQR in place of your genuine one.

As with the Manson copy of the Rocna, this is our opinion.

[GMac]

Originally Posted by blahman

How do the Mason anchors compare to Rocna's?

I had been planning to switch from my CQR to a Delta as primary, CQR secondary. But the Mason and Rocna anchors intrigue me.

Both are better than Delta or CQR in my and most, damn near all, of my customers opinions.

Which one of the other 2? Both have good and bad or more 'not quite' rather than bad points. Just as ALL anchors have.

Almost a case of which is better - a Ferrari or a Lambo. If you chuck in the Spades then add Maseratti

[craigsmith]

Now why are you so sure about the copy being better than a Delta?

In the West Marine and SAIL testing, the "Max Before Releasing" figures looked like this:

Supreme 36lb: 2,400lbs
Delta 36lb: 3,250lbs
Rocna 32lb: 4,800lbs

Because the Supreme was completely inconsistent and miserably failed one of the three locations:



I think your parallel would work better if there was a car company with standards and ethics low enough to make a cheap rip-off Ferrari to add to their range of cheap knock-off Sierras [Bruce] and Model Ts [CQR] ...

[Vasco]

Craig,

If your anchor is the "better mousetrap" why then are distributors not beating a path to your door? The North American market is huge yet you seem to have problems getting your product to buyers here. Manson, on the other hand, another company from NZ, seems to have no problems getting their anchors across the Pacific. When I was shopping for a new anchor getting a Manson Supreme was easy. Couldn't find a Rocna anywhere in Florida.