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15-04-2013, 07:04
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#31
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
found nice cheap. err,inexpensive chain hooks here in mexico--zihuatenejo ferreterias have em ---lol--for only a few pesos. so i now use a chain hook i got cheap and 3 strand i had on board and a low priced snubber bridle is on my boat--helps here in swellcity, mexico....
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15-04-2013, 07:29
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#32
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,139
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
I've been using these for years and they have never come off. Only $10.
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15-04-2013, 08:12
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#33
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sea of Cortez and the U.P. of Michigan
Boat: Celestial 48
Posts: 904
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
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Originally Posted by savoir
I've been using these for years and they have never come off. ...
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Maybe just me, but occasionally while deploying snubber the snubber line has gone slack and the hook slips off - then need to haul chain and the snubber back in and try again. If done right this doesn't happen, but I have done it wrong I guess many times.
No problem with hook once everything is setup and in place, it is just when getting it all in the water that I have issues.
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15-04-2013, 08:16
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#34
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Sea of Cortez and the U.P. of Michigan
Boat: Celestial 48
Posts: 904
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
By the way, regarding Amsteel, I found the following great video on doing a Brummel lock splice (for a loop) that you might find useful. Video in on Marlow D12 but am pretty certain the splice is exactly the same on Amsteel.
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16-04-2013, 08:53
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#35
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NSW Central Coast
Boat: Lagoon 410 (now sold)
Posts: 514
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
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Originally Posted by Dennis.G
Maybe just me, but occasionally while deploying snubber the snubber line has gone slack and the hook slips off - then need to haul chain and the snubber back in and try again. If done right this doesn't happen, but I have done it wrong I guess many times.
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If you use a bridle as I do on the cat, and the water is shallow, the hook may touch bottom and slip off. I'm looking for one with a retaining mechanism like the Wichard or the home made one as posted by Thinwater.
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16-04-2013, 09:33
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#36
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,139
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
I don't see why anyone's chain hook should be in the water. That would greatly increase the chances of it coming off.
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16-04-2013, 10:12
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#37
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Massachusetts
Boat: Finnsailer 38
Posts: 5,132
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
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I don't see why anyone's chain hook should be in the water. That would greatly increase the chances of it coming off.
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When it starts to blow you need a longer snubber. Many people don't put out enough snubber, which can put significant additional strain on your anchor and boat. In severe conditions, it might make sense to have 50 feet or more out there. I've seen some studies that under certain conditions a snubber or a long length of nylon connected to your anchor chain can reduce peak loads by 50% in certain conditions.
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16-04-2013, 10:25
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#38
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2007
Boat: Mahe 36, Helia 44 Evo, MY 37
Posts: 5,731
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
Cats usually anchor in shallow water. We are anchored in 5 or 6 feet of water almost all of the time.
Cat bridals in shallow water will just drag on the bottom.
You really need a bridal to chain hook with a locking pin on it, so as not to come loose.
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16-04-2013, 10:25
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#39
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
my snubber protects my sprit, which takes a whopping load when there is swell or weather--there fore i have a bridle with hook. makes point of effort lower and less wear and tear on my sprit. in big winds, the water line snubbing emulation creates much less bullwhip action with my chain--is the length of chain from snubber to anchor that is important,is the working load.... the length between the snubber and my sprit is the bit that keeps my boat from self destructing and does essentially nothing besides lay there.
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16-04-2013, 11:15
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#40
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Massachusetts
Boat: Finnsailer 38
Posts: 5,132
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
Even on a mono if it goes dead calm and you're in say 6 feet of water it would be easy for the chain hook to become dislodged on the bottom unless you shorten up the snubber. Tie on the snubber with a rolling hitch and a couple of half hitches for security, and it won't fall off.
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16-04-2013, 12:19
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#42
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,139
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kettlewell
When it starts to blow you need a longer snubber. Many people don't put out enough snubber, which can put significant additional strain on your anchor and boat. In severe conditions, it might make sense to have 50 feet or more out there. I've seen some studies that under certain conditions a snubber or a long length of nylon connected to your anchor chain can reduce peak loads by 50% in certain conditions.
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So run the snubber down the deck. If you want it longer put it through a block and back to the bow.
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16-04-2013, 12:34
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#43
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Writing Full-Time Since 2014
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Deale, MD
Boat: PDQ Altair, 32/34
Posts: 9,569
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
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Originally Posted by savoir
So run the snubber down the deck. If you want it longer put it through a block and back to the bow.
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Which results in a lot of movement (chafe) in the chock, which can be treated with chafe gear, which needs repositioned if the snubber is moved. We've added a block (which will see 2x peak mooring load--might have trouble finding something to attach that to!).
Though the notion is intriguing, isn't a robust snubber attachment just simpler?
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16-04-2013, 12:35
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#44
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Boat: Tartan 40
Posts: 2,460
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Quote:
Originally Posted by savoir
So run the snubber down the deck. If you want it longer put it through a block and back to the bow.
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I not sure I want to imagine what my snubber would look like if it is stretching 1-2 feet through my deck chock with your setup ....
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16-04-2013, 13:11
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#45
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cruiser
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Tampa Bay area
Boat: Hunter 31'
Posts: 5,731
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Re: Cheap chain stop snubber hook
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Originally Posted by rebel heart
Back in San Diego I made a pact with myself that I would master some knots so I spent maybe a dozen evenings sitting there tying knots all over the cabin for a half an hour a pop trying to get it right.
I still get screwed up when I need to tie one "backwards" or upside down.
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Do you have a smart phone or an Ipod? Put "Grog's Knots" on it. I couldn't get a bowline right to save my life, but I had this animated guide, and eventuallly I got it.
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