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Originally Posted by Don Lucas
What I was calling the "stripper" is called the Control Arm (it's plastic) on the drawing (SL appears to call the "stripper" a rope/chain fleming?). It definitely has lost the war and is all bent up and I just torn it off the other day. I managed to get the part number and have ordered a new one. |
Not massively uncommon sadly but that often comes back to wrong
rope match, a nasty
rope, a poor splice or a shallow and over filled locker. That little finger on the side is generally called the 'Pressure arm' or 'Pressure finger'. It's there to hold a little pressure on the warp. As a slight aside - if you ever get the warp slipping in the gypsy just check the spring in that pressure arm hasn't broken or gone soft. Some of the earlier ones were rather limp. If you suspect it has just gone limp you can try putting another turn in the spring to up the pressure again. BUT WATCH for the suicide component. Every which you disassemble for any reason on the bow while in the
water does have one of those components and it will try to jump
overboard........... never to be seen again.
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But during this I started looking at the drawing and at some other Simpson Lawrence units (my manual sucks!). They all seem to indicate that the chain/rope goes around the gipsy, the Control Arm is outside the chain/rope so the chain is between the control arm and the gipsy, under a cover, and down a chain pipe sleeve.
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Correct. The
rode comes from your bow around the gypsy between the gypsy and the pressure finger then down the hole into your locker. The
rode should be between the pressure finger and the gypsy.
You can remove the pressure finger and just wrap the rode around the
winch 180 degrees and off to your locker but they weren't designed with that in mind so if you go that way it is a bodge up rather than what it was designed to be used like. If you want to do something like that get a
Maxwell VWC, VW or similar.
The 'Stripper' is the small fixed arm thingy sticking out deep into the gypsy. This is to help peel the rode out of the gypsy and down into the locker. This usually is just the warp part of the rode and if a stripper is having to peel the chain out it would indicate you have the wrong chain or something is amiss. The 'stripper' can be seen in the
photo above, it's that black bit just above where it says Sprint 2000.
The pressure are is on the other side out of site.
There is some visual and shape differences in the stripper and pressure arms designs between the assorted manufacturers but they all do the same thing so the above applies to all Auto Rope to Chain winches, not just Lewmars. There is the odd one with only 1 of those and the odd with none at all but they are mostly fringe no-name winches not commonly used by the fleet.
Now back to Don's issue. It sort of does look a little as if you may have a rode - gypsy mismatch. Lewmars Specs are one of the wildest out there and do contain some stuff that is just wrong, and some chains that don't actually exist and a couple that are called ISO, which is as useful as tits on a bull. ISO is a bunch of people, not a standard. The ISO (International Standards Organisation) over see and administer around a gazzillion different standards, a few that cover chains. So unless any specs say something like 'ISO EN818-3', the term is pretty much totally useless. 'EN818-3' is a chain standard which is administered by the ISO as is NF-E, DIN and a few other chain ones.
So it's common to see Lewmars fitted with the wrong chains.
And don't forget folks, if the box and included manual say a Blaa 2000
winch can use a 6,7,8 and 10mm chain it does mean 'as long as the winch was fitted with the appropriate gypsy to sut the chain size you want to use on it'. NO winch can run all of those sizes on the same gypsy, next to none will run any 2 of them on the same gypsy.
Maxwell have cracked a multi-fit gypsy which does actually work but to date all the others haven't quite. Some have, say, a 10mm gypsy that will run a couple of the different sized 10mm's but none bar Maxwells latest will run all 10mm sizes on the same gypsy. A winch will run a few differing gypsies very happily so the Sprint 2000 pictured above could run anything from 1/4" to 1/2" as long as the correct matching gypsy is fitted to it. Hence if you look at the parts list it will show a range of gypsies, each one is for a different sized chain.
A bit like wet
weather gear. No point walking into a shop and just saying 'I'll have a set of wet
gear (winch) please'. You say 'I'll have a set of XL (10mm chain) wet gear please'. No point getting XS (a 8mm gypsy) gear when your body (your chain) is a XL (10mm).
Don, give me the gypsy number and I'll tell you exactly what it was designed to take. That number can be found on the inside (the side the chain sits in) of the gypsy. On Lewmars it is often is small print by the end of on of the gypsy teeth. On others it's often between the teeth on the cheek. Not all gypsies have a marking and on some the marking is simple to understand like 'P30', which means it is designed to take a chain with a internal length of each link being 30mm or a EN818-3 Standard, if in Aussie you call that a 10mm Aussie (AS2321) Grade L standard and about all the choice you have due to your very protected economy.
I'd exect Don to find a number a bit like RC0832 or something formatted like that. If you do find that number and have a 3/8" chain you do have issues, those 2 will not play nice together. That is a 8mm gypsy... bugger! Or if it's a pure Lewmar (as opposed to a re-branded Sim/Law) it'll have something like 203 or 301, something like that.
We have a massive database of every ones gypsies. You'd be surprised how often the winch dudes ring us asking what fit's the gear they sell
PS. I can write in imperial just metric is so much easier. You US guys need to dump that imperial measurement thing, it's a pain in the bum.
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