Bruce or CQR

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Yeah the bigger boat thing is always the question, but I like that price and weight for the Mantus M1. The local used sailboat parts store here wants $225 for a used 35 lb CQR

Hell the crown I'm getting on Monday will cost me $700 after the $200 root canal I had a couple weeks back. Getting old sux as well as growing up on well water

Even today I had to go over an look at this Pacific Seacraft 36 I spoke of earlier on another thread.

A beautiful boat and since I have been walking docks looking at monohulls since 1996 starting in Pensacola, this boat caught my eye.

So I'm standing there looking at it for the first time a few months back and this guy comes down the dock and I'm on his finger pier.

Come to find out he is Merchant Marine and Captains this huge Navy Catamaran that always appears to be about to run me over as I am head out Little Creek. The thing can throw up a rooster's tail etc when the want to get going

So we discussed that ...he is also the guy that bought an expensive Nor'Sea 27 but found it too small. plus a buddy Merchant Marine guy is a liveaboard across from me on his Catalina 30

So as usual I haven't decided how much time I will be able to spend on a boat so it looks like my B27 will be used for my first distance cruises after retirement which will be Chesapeake Bay bottom to top then to Morehead City on the inside and hopefully back up rounding the Outer Banks but first hanging out at Cape Lookout to get a feel for it.

I used to fish there in the 70's

Wonder how heavy that northill anchor weighs.

Beautiful vessel

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Trust me- get a Mantus M1 on Chesapeake. I’ve anchored from Chesapeake City to Portsmouth VA with mine and it’s always set and held.
West marine lists 25 lb version for 309. Direct from Mantus is 329 + 37 shipping.
I had a 35 on my Luders 33 which was awesome and slightly oversized. You could hedge and get a 35 which you could take with you if you buy a bigger boat.
You just need to hang on when backing down as the jerk when it digs in is nothing you have felt before[emoji3]

I must say these measurements tell you a lot about this anchor.

B: is 19" !!

Mantus M1

Size: 25 lbs (11.4 kg)

Dimension A: 795mm ( 31.3 in)
Dimension B: 482mm ( 19 in)
Dimension C: 559mm ( 22 in)
Dimension D: 189mm ( 7.4 in)
Dimension E: 150mm ( 5.9 in)
Dimension F: 37mm ( 1.5 in)
Dimension G: 13mm ( 0.5 in)
Dimension H: 440mm ( 17.3 in)
Dimension I: 290mm ( 11.4 in)
Dimension J: 196mm ( 7.7 in)

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by thomm225

I must say these measurements tell you a lot about this anchor.

B: is 19" !!

Mantus M1

Size: 25 lbs (11.4 kg)

Dimension A: 795mm ( 31.3 in)
Dimension B: 482mm ( 19 in)
Dimension C: 559mm ( 22 in)
Dimension D: 189mm ( 7.4 in)
Dimension E: 150mm ( 5.9 in)
Dimension F: 37mm ( 1.5 in)
Dimension G: 13mm ( 0.5 in)
Dimension H: 440mm ( 17.3 in)
Dimension I: 290mm ( 11.4 in)
Dimension J: 196mm ( 7.7 in)

What I want to know is the shank to plate angle and tip weight coefficient.

My 35 pound CQR has been modified by a previous owner and a pound and a half of lead was poured into the nose increasing the tip weight which explains how it preforms so well in most conditions.

But for soft mud I personally would go with a Danforth as they have good dig and a lot of sq inches of surface area to pull against.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by newhaul

What I want to know is the shank to plate angle and tip weight coefficient.

My 35 pound CQR has been modified by a previous owner and a pound and a half of lead was poured into the nose increasing the tip weight which explains how it preforms so well in most conditions.

But for soft mud I personally would go with a Danforth as they have good dig and a lot of sq inches of surface area to pull against.

Not sure about the shank angle, but I know the SV Panope reviews have measured tip weight (I don't have a link to the Mantus tests handy though).

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by newhaul

What I want to know is the shank to plate angle and tip weight coefficient.

My 35 pound CQR has been modified by a previous owner and a pound and a half of lead was poured into the nose increasing the tip weight which explains how it preforms so well in most conditions.

But for soft mud I personally would go with a Danforth as they have good dig and a lot of sq inches of surface area to pull against.

My CQR appears to also have the extra weight poured into the nose but it is no where near as wide as the Mantus is.

It appears the angle of the shank on the Mantus M1 and it's sharp pointed nose will allow it to easily dig in

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

Not sure about the shank angle, but I know the SV Panope reviews have measured tip weight (I don't have a link to the Mantus tests handy though).

I recall that to but don't remember the exact numbers Steve mentioned.

Shank angle seems to be a major player in the functionality of the various anchors

[newhaul]

Ok this may explain something . It appears that the CQR and the Mantus have similar throat angle.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Ok this may explain something . It appears that the CQR and the Mantus have similar throat angle.

If I go with the Mantus M1, it will be a 25 lb'er whereas my old CQR is 20lb

The width on the CQR 20 is 9.5" whereas on the Mantus M1 25 lb it's 19"

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by newhaul

What I want to know is the shank to plate angle and tip weight coefficient.



My 35 pound CQR has been modified by a previous owner and a pound and a half of lead was poured into the nose increasing the tip weight which explains how it performs so well in most conditions.



But for soft mud I personally would go with a Danforth as they have good dig and a lot of sq inches of surface area to pull against.

Don’t disagree on Danforth style for ultimate holding power in soft mud. But I’d suggest that extra straight line reserve holding compared to every other anchor in soft mud is likely not needed in 99% of anchoring. My Mantus has NEVER dragged for me in a straight line, even in severe squalls (40-50 knots)- it seems to just dig deeper and find more solid mud. I’m pretty sure by measuring chain mud and top of rollbar mud that it’s been 5-6 feet below the seabed surface before

My experience and that of most anchor tests is that Danforth/fortress weaknesses are in resetting. And sometimes they are harder to set. Mantus shines in both domains and that’s the most common anchoring issue encountered.

[team karst]

Originally Posted by malbert73

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My experience and that of most anchor tests is that Danforth/fortress weaknesses are in resetting. And sometimes they are harder to set. Mantus shines in both domains and that’s the most common anchoring issue encountered.

Very true where I anchor. 4 x daily tidal current reversals, and in the summertime, about every other day thunderstorm wind outflows at a random direction. All too often at 3am.