Bruce or CQR

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by thomm225

This is why yesterday I unhooked my spare Bruce Knock-off Claw Anchor I had mounted to the chain and put my old CQR back on until I can find a 20-35 lb CQR in better shape or maybe a used Ronca.

I'm seeing them more and more for sale on Craigslist, but usually they are too large for my needs.

You’re on the Chesapeake. Don’t get a Rocna. Please DO spend time watching sv Panope’s videos on anchors setting so you can see why. Of the new gen anchors the Rocna is probably the most overrated especially if you encounter soft mud conditions. My experience was poor with it. Mantus for me has performed much better (ie spectacularly- has never let me down)

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by malbert73

You’re on the Chesapeake. Don’t get a Rocna. Please DO spend time watching sv Panope’s videos on anchors setting so you can see why. Of the new gen anchors the Rocna is probably the most overrated especially if you encounter soft mud conditions. My experience was poor with it. Mantus for me has performed much better (ie spectacularly- has never let me down)

I'll second this. The Rocna is still better than many of the things that came before it, but other designs of its era (like the Spade) and many of the designs that have come since the Rocna are better.



On the Chesapeake for Thomm's boat, I'd personally go for a 25-30 lb new gen anchor as a primary (look at all of the well rated stuff on the Panope list and pick the one you can get cheapest, easiest, or fits best). And probably a Fortress (or find a used high quality Danforth) as a backup and to cover any areas of extremely soupy mud. That should pretty much be a "good enough for worse conditions than I ever care to anchor in" setup.



One of the biggest things in my mind is the ability to anchor with shorter scope with a well sized modern anchor. It opens up more options for tight little gunkholes that you just might not fit into comfortably with 7:1+ scope.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

You’re on the Chesapeake. Don’t get a Rocna. Please DO spend time watching sv Panope’s videos on anchors setting so you can see why. Of the new gen anchors the Rocna is probably the most overrated especially if you encounter soft mud conditions. My experience was poor with it. Mantus for me has performed much better (ie spectacularly- has never let me down)

Yeah, I saw Steve's report on the Ronca's. Thanks.

I like the Mantus, but you don't see many for sale.

I'd buy one of those new if I could get one nearby, but I don't want to order one and have to pay the shipping fee on that much weight

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

I'll second this. The Rocna is still better than many of the things that came before it, but other designs of its era (like the Spade) and many of the designs that have come since the Rocna are better.



On the Chesapeake for Thomm's boat, I'd personally go for a 25-30 lb new gen anchor as a primary (look at all of the well rated stuff on the Panope list and pick the one you can get cheapest, easiest, or fits best). And probably a Fortress (or find a used high quality Danforth) as a backup and to cover any areas of extremely soupy mud. That should pretty much be a "good enough for worse conditions than I ever care to anchor in" setup.



One of the biggest things in my mind is the ability to anchor with shorter scope with a well sized modern anchor. It opens up more options for tight little gunkholes that you just might not fit into comfortably with 7:1+ scope.

So far in the 10 years I've had this Bristol 27, only one time was I near 3-4 boats but they were still 50 yards off.

I was though anchored upwind of one of them but didn't have a problem that night as we were up Mobjack Bay then into the Severn River which is like a thick marsh mud.

Many times at Kiptopeke we (the anchored boats) swing with the tide every 6 hours are so when we are anchored near the cement ships so you are either ahead of a boat or behind and the wind and tide is very strong there.

Once I was swinging within 1'-2' of the cement ships but didn't want to move at 2am so I rode it out and the wind and tide/current cooperated to keep me from slamming into them. Up close you can see they are not something you want to be slamming into but they do provide good protection

https://www.findyourchesapeake.com/t...concrete-fleet

But before I do head out after retirement it would be nice to have maybe a Mantus or maybe I could pick one up along the way Morehead City etc some place like that.

When I lived there in the 70's it was boater's heaven with lots of local resources to support any type boat.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Yeah, I saw Steve's report on the Ronca's. Thanks.

I like the Mantus, but you don't see many for sale.

I'd buy one of those new if I could get one nearby, but I don't want to order one and have to pay the shipping fee on that much weight

I just did a little digging for you. Looks like Marine Parts Source will send you a Vulcan (well liked in Steve's tests) with free shipping. West Marine prices are (surprisingly) right in line with others for both the Vulcan and the Mantus. So your local store might be able to order one for you and save you the shipping costs.

[chris mac]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Yeah, I saw Steve's report on the Ronca's. Thanks.



I like the Mantus, but you don't see many for sale.



I'd buy one of those new if I could get one nearby, but I don't want to order one and have to pay the shipping fee on that much weight

Pre order from the supplier(any anchor attending) to be picked up at the Annapolis boatshow. We bought our spade anchor this way. Boatshow discount and free delivery. They typically bring a crate of product for display and sales anyways

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

I just did a little digging for you. Looks like Marine Parts Source will send you a Vulcan (well liked in Steve's tests) with free shipping. West Marine prices are (surprisingly) right in line with others for both the Vulcan and the Mantus. So your local store might be able to order one for you and save you the shipping costs.

Thanks.

[sck5]

I had rocna's on my 33 and my 40 on the Chesapeake for years. Never once dragged. However, it did bring up lots of mud so it is a good idea to have a hose at the bow if you can.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

I just did a little digging for you. Looks like Marine Parts Source will send you a Vulcan (well liked in Steve's tests) with free shipping. West Marine prices are (surprisingly) right in line with others for both the Vulcan and the Mantus. So your local store might be able to order one for you and save you the shipping costs.

Thanks for the info.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by sck5

I had rocna's on my 33 and my 40 on the Chesapeake for years. Never once dragged. However, it did bring up lots of mud so it is a good idea to have a hose at the bow if you can.

My old boat is used to mud on the bow/foredeck.

Plus that's where I tie on my CQR after bringing it up.

A hose at the bow wouldn't do much good, but I do have the PO's old metal bucket with line attached so when I'm sailing off anchor and away from the anchorage I stand at the bow and sling the bucket overboard a few times and rinse some of the mud off that way.....

Foredeck has since been repainted. Staining is rust from the old chain

[rslifkin]

The bucket or a good few dunks of the anchor (or dragging it backwards in circles just below the surface) will all work to get the mud off. For the most part, it's getting mud off chain where I find the raw water washdown hose to be most valuable (as you can just blast the mud off while the chain is coming in). Much less of an issue without a windlass, however. You've only got so many hands to do things, so you'll probably have to stop retrieving to clean off mud regardless of the cleaning method.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

The bucket or a good few dunks of the anchor (or dragging it backwards in circles just below the surface) will all work to get the mud off. For the most part, it's getting mud off chain where I find the raw water washdown hose to be most valuable (as you can just blast the mud off while the chain is coming in). Much less of an issue without a windlass, however. You've only got so many hands to do things, so you'll probably have to stop retrieving to clean off mud regardless of the cleaning method.

Raw water washdown and hose would be nice, but I can only hose it down at the dock.

Just part of the charm of having an old boat you get to (or have to ) do things the old way.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Raw water washdown and hose would be nice, but I can only hose it down at the dock.

Just part of the charm of having an old boat you get to (or have to ) do things the old way.

My boat is old too. I got tired of dealing with mud, so I just added a deck fitting, a big pump and tee-d into the forward head thru hull to add a washdown. In your case, I'd say it's probably less useful, as anchor retrieval is 2 handed. For me, it's 1 hand on the windlass remote, hose in the other hand, so it saves time.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Yeah, I saw Steve's report on the Ronca's. Thanks.



I like the Mantus, but you don't see many for sale.



I'd buy one of those new if I could get one nearby, but I don't want to order one and have to pay the shipping fee on that much weight

Trust me- get a Mantus M1 on Chesapeake. I’ve anchored from Chesapeake City to Portsmouth VA with mine and it’s always set and held.
West marine lists 25 lb version for 309. Direct from Mantus is 329 + 37 shipping.
I had a 35 on my Luders 33 which was awesome and slightly oversized. You could hedge and get a 35 which you could take with you if you buy a bigger boat.
You just need to hang on when backing down as the jerk when it digs in is nothing you have felt before[emoji3]

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Trust me- get a Mantus M1 on Chesapeake. I’ve anchored from Chesapeake City to Portsmouth VA with mine and it’s always set and held.
West marine lists 25 lb version for 309. Direct from Mantus is 329 + 37 shipping.
I had a 35 on my Luders 33 which was awesome and slightly oversized. You could hedge and get a 35 which you could take with you if you buy a bigger boat.
You just need to hang on when backing down as the jerk when it digs in is nothing you have felt before[emoji3]

Yeah the bigger boat thing is always the question, but I like that price and weight for the Mantus M1. The local used sailboat parts store here wants $225 for a used 35 lb CQR

Hell the crown I'm getting on Monday will cost me $700 after the $200 root canal I had a couple weeks back. Getting old sux as well as growing up on well water

Even today I had to go over an look at this Pacific Seacraft 36 I spoke of earlier on another thread.

A beautiful boat and since I have been walking docks looking at monohulls since 1996 starting in Pensacola, this boat caught my eye.

So I'm standing there looking at it for the first time a few months back and this guy comes down the dock and I'm on his finger pier.

Come to find out he is Merchant Marine and Captains this huge Navy Catamaran that always appears to be about to run me over as I am head out Little Creek. The thing can throw up a rooster's tail etc when the want to get going

So we discussed that ...he is also the guy that bought an expensive Nor'Sea 27 but found it too small. plus a buddy Merchant Marine guy is a liveaboard across from me on his Catalina 30

So as usual I haven't decided how much time I will be able to spend on a boat so it looks like my B27 will be used for my first distance cruises after retirement which will be Chesapeake Bay bottom to top then to Morehead City on the inside and hopefully back up rounding the Outer Banks but first hanging out at Cape Lookout to get a feel for it.

I used to fish there in the 70's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsfA-z6Fxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVVP9WUt3M