Bruce or CQR

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

thomm225, I have a 35 or 45 pound delta I would be willing to let go of for $10.00. Yep, 10 bucks and could drop it off to you on my way south this fall. Let me know if you are interested.

Curious- what replaced the Delta? I wager $20 that it wasn’t a CQR or Bruce [emoji3][emoji3]

[smj]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Curious- what replaced the Delta? I wager $20 that it wasn’t a CQR or Bruce [emoji3][emoji3]

And it seems Lewmar who owns CQR, produced the Delta because the CQR was the best holding anchor ever?

[waterman46]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Newhaul, we left Seattle on our world cruise with a CQR. It dragged though every port on the West Coast. Finally, in Mexico, I snorkled on it while Judy tried to set it. I observed that it was hinged 90 degrees and pulling along like a bulldozer blade and was never going to orient itself properly to set. We took a bus to San Diego and came back with a Bruce, which has held very well for many years (until now when I have learned that a 44lb Bruce cannot set or hold at all compared to a 90lb Mantus! Who knew? I am chagrined)

So my objection the CQR is based on my experience.

Been all the same places with my 15 ton boat and "genuine" 45lb CQR and never dragged once, including 3 months anchored in La Paz where the current changes twice a day and we left the boat unattended, came back it was exactly where we left it. Also 4 days in 35knot gusts anchored in Papagayo country. Not fun, boat slewing around 45 degrees each side, I worried, but we never dragged a foot. I use 3/8" all chain rode. These are all mud and sand bottoms and about 20' to 30' depths but sometimes as much as 80' (Acapulco). If it's not too deep I lower the anchor by hand to the bottom and make sure we are moving backwards slowly while I ease out the first few feet, to avoid fouling the anchor with the chain.

We have a 44lb Bruce that has dragged in the mud of SF Bay, but might work better than the CQR in gravel or rocks.

I'd like a newer anchor but until I have a problem, why spend the money?
And I don't get all this talk about the CQR being a "plow" anchor. The new anchors all look and work like plows with minor variations of blade shape. Only the CQR has the swivel on the shank. Is that a good or bad feature?

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Curious- what replaced the Delta? I wager $20 that it wasn’t a CQR or Bruce [emoji3][emoji3]

15kg Rocna

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by waterman46

...

We have a 44lb Bruce that has dragged in the mud of SF Bay, but might work better than the CQR in gravel or rocks. ...

Never had a Bruce-copy (Lewmar) drag in San Francisco Bay/Delta.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Newhaul, we left Seattle on our world cruise with a CQR. It dragged though every port on the West Coast. Finally, in Mexico, I snorkled on it while Judy tried to set it. I observed that it was hinged 90 degrees and pulling along like a bulldozer blade and was never going to orient itself properly to set. We took a bus to San Diego and came back with a Bruce, which has held very well for many years (until now when I have learned that a 44lb Bruce cannot set or hold at all compared to a 90lb Mantus! Who knew? I am chagrined)

So my objection the CQR is based on my experience.

I never did but I bet you were using one that was barely big enough for your boat likely the same one I use and never drag. It's all in how you set it and anchor .
Heck fred I bet any 90lb anchor will hold without dragging on your boat.
A 90lb mantus is rated for a 40,000 pound boat in storm conditions
And I know you don't weigh near that .
And your 44lb Bruce is barely enough for your boat . No wonder you drug .

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

15kg Rocna

I would rather the CQR the rocna isn't that good of an anchor . In most substrates tested.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by waterman46

Been all the same places with my 15 ton boat and "genuine" 45lb CQR and never dragged once, including 3 months anchored in La Paz where the current changes twice a day and we left the boat unattended, came back it was exactly where we left it. Also 4 days in 35knot gusts anchored in Papagayo country. Not fun, boat slewing around 45 degrees each side, I worried, but we never dragged a foot. I use 3/8" all chain rode. These are all mud and sand bottoms and about 20' to 30' depths but sometimes as much as 80' (Acapulco). If it's not too deep I lower the anchor by hand to the bottom and make sure we are moving backwards slowly while I ease out the first few feet, to avoid fouling the anchor with the chain.

We have a 44lb Bruce that has dragged in the mud of SF Bay, but might work better than the CQR in gravel or rocks.

I'd like a newer anchor but until I have a problem, why spend the money?
And I don't get all this talk about the CQR being a "plow" anchor. The new anchors all look and work like plows with minor variations of blade shape. Only the CQR has the swivel on the shank. Is that a good or bad feature?

Bingo its all about how you anchor .

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I would rather the CQR the rocna isn't that good of an anchor . In most substrates tested.

I spent decades with CQR's, and some years with a Rocna anchoring in all kinds of areas and bottom types.


I agree that the Rocna is not all that good, but it is LIGHT YEARS better than the CQR. Sets much, much, much better in a much bigger variety of bottoms, and always holds once set.


What I disliked about the Rocna was that it clogged easily in mud, and was badly balanced because of the roll bar, making it awkward to handle.


In my many, many years of experience with CQR -- in a narrow range of bottom types it works ok, and if you can get it set in those bottom types, will hold. But it's hopeless in many types of bottom, and usually very hard to set. But even in clean sand you can't rely on it -- dragged numerous times in clean sand around Florida and in the Caribbean when squalls blew up at night, despite good set verified by diving on it.


They are terrible anchors, and I'm speaking from a great deal of experience. I would never go to sleep lying to a CQR, and in fact my years with that anchor have made it impossible for me even today to sleep really deeply at anchor -- I always have "one eye open" as it were.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

thomm225, I have a 35 or 45 pound delta I would be willing to let go of for $10.00. Yep, 10 bucks and could drop it off to you on my way south this fall. Let me know if you are interested.

Thanks anyway Kmac, but I already have 5 anchors onboard as it is and two sets of 250' - 300' rode and 40' chain setups.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by team karst

Do it Thomm. Delta worked very well on my last powerboat.

Nice, I always had old Danforth style anchors with maybe 50' -60' of rode on my power boats or those old navy style anchors well rusted (and maybe a grapnel or two )

Basically whatever came with the old 6-8 power boats I owned between 1971-1980. (16' - 17' wooden and fiberglass boats)

Those boats, motors, and anchors were usually all 60's vintage........which btw was the last time I anchored before I bought the Bristol 27 in 2011. (I had 4 beach cats that I raced between those periods though but no anchors)

So when I got that 90's vintage CQR with 40' heavy chain and 250' rope rode ......"I couldn't believe the holding power in had!"

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Nice, I always had old Danforth style anchors with maybe 50' -60' of rode on my power boats or those old navy style anchors well rusted (and maybe a grapnel or two )

Basically whatever came with the old 6-8 power boats I owned between 1971-1980. (16' - 17' wooden and fiberglass boats)

Those boats, motors, and anchors were usually all 60's vintage........which btw was the last time I anchored before I bought the Bristol 27 in 2011. (I had 4 beach cats that I raced between those periods though but no anchors)

So when I got that 90's vintage CQR with 40' heavy chain and 250' rope rode ......"I couldn't believe the holding power in had!"

You do realize a Delta is not a Danforth. And, while thoroughly average, a Delta is better than a CQR in most opinions

But, if you always anchor at 15:1 scope as you hinted earlier, any anchor can outperform its pedigree. Not super friendly to those around you though

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by malbert73

You do realize a Delta is not a Danforth. And, while thoroughly average, a Delta is better than a CQR in most opinions

But, if you always anchor at 15:1 scope as you hinted earlier, any anchor can outperform its pedigree. Not super friendly to those around you though

The Delta underperformed it's hype in real world applications.

Now I have anchored with as much as 15:1 in hurricane conditions but with my draft never had anyone that close to me .

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

You do realize a Delta is not a Danforth. And, while thoroughly average, a Delta is better than a CQR in most opinions

But, if you always anchor at 15:1 scope as you hinted earlier, any anchor can outperform its pedigree. Not super friendly to those around you though

Those around me?

Who would that be?

Do any of you guys actually trust yourselves to pick a place to anchor alone with no boats nearby or do you just follow the crowd and stay close to them thinking they know what they are doing. (Damn, I did find a photo with a boat close by!)

This CQR I have has earned it's number one position.

I have anchored many times in the Bay before I bought this old Bristol 27 and the 5 anchors that came with it.

(But) I had never anchored overnight in spots that if the anchor drug would have been really rough.

I was at Kiptopeke one night with temps in the 40's and onshore winds to the high 20 knot range plus SE winds bringing closely spaced waves of 2'-4' as I was anchored about 50 yards off the beach and the CQR held! Another time .......etc, etc

I was actually turning on a propane heater for 5-10 minutes here and there that night from midnite until about 6 am.

One of those Heater Buddy things

I might buy another anchor one day but in the next sixty days or so I'm paying for a repair on my ex's Jeep ($4600) and paying the house payment ($8000)

I'm buying the parents country house from my brother for $40,000. (2100 sq ft) It's both of ours until a few more payments then I retire and go sailing and we (my son and ex) will always have a place to stay and keep all our stuff!

[team karst]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Those around me?

Who would that be?

Do any of you guys actually trust yourselves to pick a place to anchor alone with no boats nearby or do you just follow the crowd and stay close to them thinking they know what they are doing…!

No. I must seek our deserted anchorages in the tropics in peak hurricane season. You see, I use a CQR.
So, last nite went well. No drag alarms. This nite, we will see. New site outside of man-o-war. Its mostly buried in sand. Of course, its still on its side. Maybe thats actually the design intent??
Luckily, there are some “hopefully” abandoned telecom conduits closely that maybe will snag.