Bruce or CQR

[Souzag818]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Yeah, but they still work here....

You have to know your bottom I guess.........

So while "discussing" this same subject in 2017 or so I was on the boat and then this squall came in after i had "tossed" my CQR overboard and went below immediately without even checking it.

I tried to get in closer but it was too shallow.

It was sunny 30 minutes before this.....

coming home later in the trip.....w/simrad autopilot

You forgot to post the video of the woman playing piano...

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Souzag818

I've been cruising in Puget Sound for over 30 years. Done some diving here over the years too. Let me know where you were that you have 15 feet of visibility and can "see the anchor". I'd love to dive there...

There are times in liberty bay , down near Grandview., in the high side of gig harbor , inside quartermaster, horsehead Bay, some times in summer in appetree cove , port gamble bay, oak bay, even had it in roach this past August for a couple days . you get the idea. I am also speaking of many other places I have sailed all over the Pacific ocean from Japan to the marshals and marquessas. Hawaii toThailand. .

[kmacdonald]

Get a new gen anchor and for God's sake don't oversize it.

[team karst]

My anchor alarm went off an hour ago in a rainstorm. . Yep: 3:30 am. About a 75’ drag with another vessel dead astern. Got about 75’ of 5/16 and a bridle in front of the cqr. Ten feet of water. I’m done with it. Considering screwing on a 40# danforth just to get thru this trip.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Get a new gen anchor and for God's sake don't oversize it.

Indeed.

Oversizing the anchor will just kill the dragging performance. But if you want really top dragging performance, skip the "new gen" and try to find a used CQR or Bruce, and keep it as small as possible.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Sam Woodbridge

This article was great! https://blog.esvatourism.org/2018/04...omment-page-1/

Your in some huge populated place Thom! Looks like there is a lot of water to explore, but I would be lost there seeing so many people! If you are curious look up Wrangell Alaska on a map. I’m very thankful to live here without all the people.

All the best to you Thom!

Sam!

Sam, I work in a very populated place but sail North away from the cites. Where I grew up is mostly farm land (see tractor videos above a few pages back which was one my jobs growing up)

My town had a population of about 450 then, now it's maybe 350 or so.

High School was in Onancock a town of about 2,000 back then around 1300 now.. a good third of the boys in my class were the son's of Watermen. (blue crab, gill netting, clams and Oysters

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ea...!4d-75.8229685

https://onbetterliving.com/onancock-virginia/

I watch a lot of those shows on Alaska like Life below Zero and Alaska is definitely an interesting place if you know what you are doing.

Wrangell looks like a nice place.

I also read Into The Wild also. (and James Michener's Alaska years ago)

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by kmacdonald

Get a new gen anchor and for God's sake don't oversize it.

Why would I oversize it?

I have been using the PO's 20 lb CQR now for years and just checked the chart yesterday for CQR's and it looks like I should be using a 35 lb'er

https://www.anchoring.com/pages/plow...r-sizing-chart

But since the 20lb'er has performed well so long I'll stay with that until I'm about to head out

but there is a 35 available in New Bern, NC ($80)

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/bpo/d/...387361706.html

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by team karst

My anchor alarm went off an hour ago in a rainstorm. . Yep: 3:30 am. About a 75’ drag with another vessel dead astern. Got about 75’ of 5/16 and a bridle in front of the cqr. Ten feet of water. I’m done with it. Considering screwing on a 40# danforth just to get thru this trip.

Yeah in ten feet, I'd have nearly twice the scope out that you had last night

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

For all of those who don’t know the Chesapeake- know that in the southern Bay where Thomm sails is a high chance of “hero” substrate- muddy sand. Every anchor will excel in that and I bet it’s very similar to the test bed Panope used that surprised with good CQR performance.
Leave that area and go into more marginal substrate (thin cover, soupy, firm, grassy, etc) and the story changes

Pretty much true but there are some hard spots between the mud and sand and of course a mix of both.

This old video shows about where I had to move to at Zero Dark 30 (0330) off Kiptopeke one of the two times I drug near Fishermen's Island. I ended up between the pilings of the fish traps anchored in about 25' of water

I could barely make out the pilings but was pretty centered in the AM. The tide is really strong just at the end of the pilings where the channel is about 35' deep.

I had been anchored in a bad spot swinging to as low as 1'-2' of water under the keel then the wind swung SE and started bring in ocean waves that were breaking. I took one over the side and got drenched while trying to swing the boat to get the rode from the leeward side of the keel.

Bridge in lowest picture is headed out to Fisherman's Island but I was anchored on the other side out near the next bridge where the high section is and a main channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6sHpweobRM

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by Sam Woodbridge

Malbert, Panope anchor tests are the best! I’m not sure if your a fan of his or not. But I must say at least someone is doing anchor testing without pushing a product!



Sam

I’ve watched them all and I was one of his first patreons. They are the best. Just referring to the test that keeps getting cited showing good CQR performance. That specific substrate is - I believe - similar to southeastern Chesapeake.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Yeah in ten feet, I'd have nearly twice the scope out that you had last night

Aha- secret to your success with CQR- 15:1 scope??
What happens in crowded harbors when you are stuck with 5:1?

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Aha- secret to your success with CQR- 15:1 scope??
What happens in crowded harbors when you are stuck with 5:1?

Crowded Harbors?

Like this one maybe?

This is up Mobjack Bay then into the Severn River.

I was in there once in a crowd of 3 other boats within 500 yards of each other!

Video is in the same spot almost but the other side as there was a North wind that day

The other pretty spot is Kiptopeke on a good day inside the sunken ship area. The Severn River is much calmer though than Kiptopeke.

2nd Video is Smith's Beach just South of Cape Charles Eastern Side of the Bay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWwQ4iUfiyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBwFOdJemV4

[malbert73]

Exactly. If you start cruising to where you can’t have that much scope out, like places in New England, you will see a huge difference with a new generation anchor. I just wanted others on this thread who may be impressed by your CQR performance which goes against general opinion, to realize what an outlier your scope is

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Exactly. If you start cruising to where you can’t have that much scope out, like places in New England, you will see a huge difference with a new generation anchor. I just wanted others on this thread who may be impressed by your CQR performance which goes against general opinion, to realize what an outlier your scope is

Got it.

I'm hoping to have a larger boat then or at the very least a newer anchor maybe or at least a CQR of the proper size for my boat

It also helps that I draw just 4'

I've been anchored behind and ahead of other boats at Kiptopeke and it has worked out.

Of course, we switch positions at every tide change.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by team karst

My anchor alarm went off an hour ago in a rainstorm. . Yep: 3:30 am. About a 75’ drag with another vessel dead astern. Got about 75’ of 5/16 and a bridle in front of the cqr. Ten feet of water. I’m done with it. Considering screwing on a 40# danforth just to get thru this trip.

All that tells me is you obviously don't vary technique to suit different conditions... "She'll be right mate... this worked well on the ICW.."
I'd not trust 75ft of chain on an 38ft high windage boat on a possible shallow sand over rock bottom..
No matter what my boat or anchor I lay out 3 x boat length plus depth of chain every time and increase if weather dictates..
As to crowded anchorages, I sail on by.. to many idiots on short scopes quoting scopes..
You protect your boat your way, I'll do it mine.. I have seen boats with a variety of anchors flee anchorages as the wind picked up, often leaving me the last boat standing on my lowly Bruce.
Its not what ya got.. its how you use it.
No anchor is idiot proof.