Bruce or CQR

[Sam Woodbridge]

Excuse me, but I just have to say. I’m drinking a beer and looking at this thread completely impressed it has got so many views! Over 1,000 and over 200 replies. Things over the internet can surprise you!

Thom, I think you know what’s best in your situation and you know what you trust. As for me, I trust my 55lbs Ronca Vulcan with 250 foot 3/8th chain and 200 foot of rode. Waters in Alaska are different. I’m anchoring in 75 of water or more.

Sam

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Sam Woodbridge

Excuse me, but I just have to say. I’m drinking a beer and looking at this thread completely impressed it has got so many views! Over 1,000 and over 200 replies. Things over the internet can surprise you!

Thom, I think you know what’s best in your situation and you know what you trust. As for me, I trust my 55lbs Ronca Vulcan with 250 foot 3/8th chain and 200 foot of rode. Waters in Alaska are different. I’m anchoring in 75 of water or more.

Sam

Yeah, that's what I get to learn here from you guys so thanks.

Btw, I usually am anchored in 4'-10' of water and maybe 10X in 25-28'

and in the 4'-10' I may have 150' of rode (and chain) out!

In the 25' plus a lot more

many nights when I anchor it's like the first part of this video but many times later (8:25 or so) the wind picks up and the anchor becomes much more important especially if it's an onshore breeze and cold (and you are old)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITidiBe-0T0

[Sam Woodbridge]

Ya, Thom interesting what is normal for you would scare me! If I had to anchor in 10 foot of water it better be low low tide! I have a seven foot draft on my boat. And I don’t have all the years experience as most do on here. I’m still figuring a lot of stuff out.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Sam Woodbridge

Ya, Thom interesting what is normal for you would scare me! If I had to anchor in 10 foot of water it better be low low tide! I have a seven foot draft on my boat. And I don’t have all the years experience as most do on here. I’m still figuring a lot of stuff out.

tides here are 2'-5'

but sometime lots of obstacles closeby.

Picture is Kiptopeke a place I like to visit but it's a tough place for current etc.

15-18' near the ships, 32' or so at the end of the fish trap pilngs plus lots of current and lower water in closer but if the wind turns S0r SE you are screwed. It's best behind the sunken ships.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ki...!4d-75.9748783

https://blog.esvatourism.org/2018/04...omment-page-1/

[rslifkin]

Having more than 10:1 scope out will cover up a lot of poor anchor performance. That's probably the biggest reason you haven't had more issues. Better gear makes 5:1 or less in bad weather reasonable, giving more choice of anchorages you can fit in.

[smj]

Originally Posted by newhaul

My 35 pound CQR is primary but in grasses and seaweeds I use my 27 pound Danforth.

CQR on 3 shot of 5/16 chain . Danforth on 27 ft 3/8 chain and 4 shots of 1/2 rode.

I like Danforths.

[Sam Woodbridge]

Originally Posted by thomm225

tides here are 2'-5'

but sometime lots of obstacles closeby.

Picture is Kiptopeke a place I like to visit but it's a tough place for current etc.

15-18' near the ships, 32' or so at the end of the fish trap pilngs plus lots of current and lower water in closer but if the wind turns S0r SE you are screwed. It's best behind the sunken ships.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ki...!4d-75.9748783

https://blog.esvatourism.org/2018/04...omment-page-1/

I find all of that interesting Thom, thank you for sharing! I’ll have a beer for you and research out of my curiosity into your area. 2 - 5 foot tides are super foreign to me. Tides here are 13 foot or better.

Thanks again

Sam

[malbert73]

For all of those who don’t know the Chesapeake- know that in the southern Bay where Thomm sails is a high chance of “hero” substrate- muddy sand. Every anchor will excel in that and I bet it’s very similar to the test bed Panope used that surprised with good CQR performance.
Leave that area and go into more marginal substrate (thin cover, soupy, firm, grassy, etc) and the story changes

[Sam Woodbridge]

This article was great! https://blog.esvatourism.org/2018/04...omment-page-1/

Your in some huge populated place Thom! Looks like there is a lot of water to explore, but I would be lost there seeing so many people! If you are curious look up Wrangell Alaska on a map. I’m very thankful to live here without all the people.

All the best to you Thom!

Sam!

[Sam Woodbridge]

Originally Posted by malbert73

For all of those who don’t know the Chesapeake- know that in the southern Bay where Thomm sails is a high chance of “hero” substrate- muddy sand. Every anchor will excel in that and I bet it’s very similar to the test bed Panope used that surprised with good CQR performance.
Leave that area and go into more marginal substrate (thin cover, soupy, firm, grassy, etc) and the story changes

Malbert, Panope anchor tests are the best! I’m not sure if your a fan of his or not. But I must say at least someone is doing anchor testing without pushing a product!

Sam

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by malbert73

For all of those who don’t know the Chesapeake- know that in the southern Bay where Thomm sails is a high chance of “hero” substrate- muddy sand. Every anchor will excel in that and I bet it’s very similar to the test bed Panope used that surprised with good CQR performance.
Leave that area and go into more marginal substrate (thin cover, soupy, firm, grassy, etc) and the story changes

Actually Steve tests in all kinds of bottom conditions we have it all here except iirc not much on coral here.

[Panope]

Although I have been fortunate to find several distinct (and quite different from each other) seabeds in which to conduct tests, we cannot assume they represent all, or even a large percentage of the world's sea floors.

I can well imagine that I would need at least a dozen substrates to get close.

Last weekend I loaded up a bunch of anchors (and the winch), and drove to the Pacific coast, looking for a "hard sand" beach.
Unfortunately, even the beach that was hard enough on which to operate a 2 wheel drive vehicle, was NOT hard enough to defeat the setting ability of almost every anchor - including CQR.

I will keep looking, but without a significant boost in funding, I will likely not be able to make a journey to places further afield (Florida?).

If you anchor in the PNW (my location), then my test results are probably a good (and getting better), singular source for anchor performance info. For other locations, however, I STRONGLY recommend adding locally sourced information to your body of knowledge.

Steve

[Sam Woodbridge]

Originally Posted by Panope

Although I have been fortunate to find several distinct (and quite different from each other) seabeds in which to conduct tests, we cannot assume they represent all, or even a large percentage of the world's sea floors.

I can well imagine that I would need at least a dozen substrates to get close.

Last weekend I loaded up a bunch of anchors (and the winch), and drove to the Pacific coast, looking for a "hard sand" beach.
Unfortunately, even the beach that was hard enough on which to operate a 2 wheel drive vehicle, was NOT hard enough to defeat the setting ability of almost every anchor - including CQR.

I will keep looking, but without a significant boost in funding, I will likely not be able to make a journey to places further afield (Florida?).

If you anchor in the PNW (my location), then my test results are probably a good (and getting better), singular source for anchor performance info. For other locations, however, I STRONGLY recommend adding locally sourced information to your body of knowledge.

Steve

Awesome reply Panope/Steve!

[Souzag818]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Nothing to do with that at all. I’ve also used a CQR for 100s of nights. Most of time just fine. Until not. Recently witnessed a drag in Block Island after wind shift that led to a collision. Was not surprised to see a CQR come up on the “stagger”

Better question is who changes to new gen anchor and changes back to CQR

Sorry but with anchoring “good enough” doesn’t let me sleep well

Agree, on all..."Good enough" isn't good enough. Kinda like "My brakes work most of the time".

[Souzag818]

Originally Posted by newhaul

No don't need to dive as I can usually see the anchor on / in the bottom as I tend to anchor in less than 15 ft of water whenever possible . With the fact of only drawing 4 feet of water .
I can get in rather close to shore .

I've been cruising in Puget Sound for over 30 years. Done some diving here over the years too. Let me know where you were that you have 15 feet of visibility and can "see the anchor". I'd love to dive there...