Bruce or CQR

[sv_pelagia]

Originally Posted by thomm225

I was thinking I'd keep an eye open for a Mantus M2 17 lb'er.

The Excel seems to be mainly sold in Europe

Is a 17lb big enough for your boat? The Mantus sizing guide suggest 25 to 35lb anchor for 27-foot boat.

Doesn't seem like you want to go to a decent weight.

https://www.mantusmarine.com/mantus-...anchor-sizing/

[Mike OReilly]

I'm confused why some point to Panope's results and use them as an argument to keep the old CQR. According to the chart just posted, the CQR ranks 8th out of 12. This does not seem like a ringing endorsement to me.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by sv_pelagia

Is a 17lb big enough for your boat? The Mantus sizing guide suggest 25 to 35lb anchor for 27-foot boat.

Doesn't seem like you want to go to a decent weight.

https://www.mantusmarine.com/mantus-...anchor-sizing/

Thanks.

I didn't research it yet just saw it on the chart, and it seemed like a good anchor.

I'll verify the holding weight before I purchase in a few years.....

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I'm confused why some point to Panope's results and use them as an argument to keep the old CQR. According to the chart just posted, the CQR ranks 8th out of 12. This does not seem like a ringing endorsement to me.

Looks like it tied for 6th with the Mantus M1 17 lb'er and the Excel #1 17 lb.

The CQR came with the boat and was on the bow when I bought it in 2011 so I have just stayed with it as well as the rode attached to it which included the old swivel and shackles.

Changed everything out except last week except the CQR and painted the rust stained deck.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Ok I bet your dragging issues have something to do with what 99% of dragging ( regardless of anchor) is directly related that your vessel is at the upper limit of the anchor.

As my not dragging ever is likely related to my 29 ft sailboat using a 35 pounder .
Rated for 35 to about 50 on the top end.

DH I bet your not dragging with a Spade anchor is directly related to the anchor being slightly oversized and the old CQR being slightly undersized for the vessel you were on at the time

Checked out the Anchor chart. (PO must have gotten a good deal on the 20 lb'er . He then used it for his 2 year cruise to Florida/Bahamas from Massachusetts 2004-2006)

I'll keep an eye out for a CQR 35 lb'er in good shape. I saw one on Craigslist a week or so ago.

It should provide a fine workout ........

[rslifkin]

Looking at the "cruising anchor" recommendation for Mantus, you'd want the 25
lb. That's good for up to 30 feet and up to 11k lbs by their standards. The 17 lb is only good up to 25 feet and 5k lbs unless you move down to the "day anchor" column, which I'd consider worthless for a primary anchor.

Go for a bit bigger than you think you can get away with. The extra holding power means you've got more margin for worse weather than you planned for, or a worse bottom, or shorter scope to fit into a tighter anchorage. Basically, in the ground tackle department, overkill buys you options.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Looks like it tied for 6th with the Mantus M1 17 lb'er and the Excel #1 17 lb.

The CQR came with the boat and was on the bow when I bought it in 2011 so I have just stayed with it as well as the rode attached to it which included the old swivel and shackles.

Changed everything out except last week except the CQR and painted the rust stained deck.

I'm quite sure the ranking is intentional -- Steve doesn't seem to do anything haphazardly. Regardless, even if it's tied for sixth, these results are hardly a ringing endorsement.

As I say, a CQR can certainly work, much like a horse and buggy or Model-T still moves you from A to B... But if you're going to get a new (or newer) anchor, there are many out there now that are simply better.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I'm quite sure the ranking is intentional -- Steve doesn't seem to do anything haphazardly. Regardless, even if it's tied for sixth, these results are hardly a ringing endorsement.

As I say, a CQR can certainly work, much like a horse and buggy or Model-T still moves you from A to B... But if you're going to get a new (or newer) anchor, there are many out there now that are simply better.

No doubt but now that I know an undersized CQR has save me and the boat numerous times with heavy onshore winds anchored 70 yards off the beach during the past 10 years I'm a bit partial to CQR's.

The local consignment shop though wants $250 for his 35# CQR's so I may wait a while and see what comes up.....

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by thomm225

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and was on the bow when I bought it in 2011 ...................

I bought my New Zealand-made Rocna in 2007, and I sure wasn't the very first in line to do so, so they had been making them for a few years before.

So let's say new gen anchors started coming out as late as 2007 - 5 years = 2002.

And here you were in 2011 using an old rock on a rope, and still are.

Goody for you.

I'll just await another of your repetitions and repeated video posts. I think you're setting a record here, keep up the good work.
FWIW, Maine Sail reported extensively on many boating forums about the advantages of new gen anchors as early as 2007, if not before. I've linked to this one before from our C34 forum, which shows the incredibly larger fluke areas of new gens compared to the older anchors.
https://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,....html#msg19651

[boatpoker]

30 years of anchoring between Lake Superior and Antigua. I've seen a lot of dragging boats ploughing the anchorages with a CQR.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

I bought my New Zealand-made Rocna in 2007, and I sure wasn't the very first in line to do so, so they had been making them for a few years before.

So let's say new gen anchors started coming out as late as 2007 - 5 years = 2002.

And here you were in 2011 using an old rock on a rope, and still are.

Goody for you.

I'll just await another of your repetitions and repeated video posts. I think you're setting a record here, keep up the good work.
FWIW, Maine Sail reported extensively on many boating forums about the advantages of new gen anchors as early as 2007, if not before. I've linked to this one before from our C34 forum, which shows the incredibly larger fluke areas of new gens compared to the older anchors.
https://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,....html#msg19651

Like I told you before, I don't know Maine Sail. Maybe I'll check the site soon. Busy day today at work.

This rock on a rope you mentioned has saved me numerous times over 10 years, but each time I knew my anchor was set.

We're talking 2'-3' waves with larger ones every now and then and 50-80 yards off the beach with onshore winds off the ocean or with 30 miles of bay for the wind and waves to grow.

I've been anchoring on the Chesapeake Bay since maybe 1970 when I was 13/14 or so. Also on seaside, the ocean side, but now days I know I need the sleep and will find better spots to anchor if possible so just about anything will do.

So when I am at the bottom of the peninsula where I grew up, it's a combination of the marsh mud bottoms and the sandy bottoms with sometimes a hard section.

I'll be checking out the new gen anchors before I leave to cruise a bit in a few years when I'm about 70

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

30 years of anchoring between Lake Superior and Antigua. I've seen a lot of dragging boats ploughing the anchorages with a CQR.

I don't doubt it, but I'm not up there.

The CQR is great for the Chesapeake Bay from Tangier south ......and seaside using Tangier's latitude

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ta...!4d-75.9916035

I anchored a lot off Watts Island and Tangier fishing between ages 15-18 years old also.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wa...!4d-75.8935456

http://coastmariner.com/bin/chart2.p...941&locId=2223

[thomm225]

And when I'm tired of "discussing" the same thing over and over, it's time to cook the fish I caught today at the boat and listen to this lady play........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITidiBe-0T0

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by thomm225

I don't doubt it, but I'm not up there.

The CQR is great for the Chesapeake Bay from Tangier south ......and seaside using Tangier's latitude....................

Well, mebbe, mebbe not.


I'd revise this post to read: "The CQR that I have on my boat worked for me in the Chesapeake Bay from Tangier south ......and seaside using Tangier's latitude..."


And you do know you can scroll up and see the video without reposting it. Oh, wait! You already HAVE the video...

[boatman61]

Ouch.!!!!