Bruce or CQR

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by smj

I have and never again. There’s a reason the marine consignment stores are full of CQR anchors, the CQR burial ground.

Yes it's called keeping up with the joneses
and marketing hype.

I like the fact the CQR knockoffs gave a genuine a bad reputation made mine a lot cheaper to obtain .

No anchor works in every condition so good technique and selection are paramount .

No smart sailor only has one type of anchor on their vessel . I carry a CQR a Bruce a Danforth and because it was free and stores well a box anchor.
( All of which except the box are sized to one size larger than recommended for my boat. )

[smj]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Yes it's called keeping up with the joneses

and marketing hype.



I like the fact the CQR knockoffs gave a genuine a bad reputation made mine a lot cheaper to obtain .



No anchor works in every condition so good technique and selection are paramount .



No smart sailor only has one type of anchor on their vessel . I carry a CQR a Bruce a Danforth and because it was free and stores well a box anchor.

( All of which except the box are sized to one size larger than recommended for my boat. )

Keeping up with the Joneses? No, it’s called knowing the capabilities of your ground tackle.
Since we cruise in areas that have pretty clear water it was customary to dive over and check the set of the anchor. This means checking to see if it had set and also how far it drags before it does set. In both these categories the CQR was abysmal. “Setting” for a CQR basically means how much sand did it build up while laying sideways on the bottom, not even sure why these anchors have a point on them. And of course the distance it took to drag up all that sand.
We haven’t owned a CQR for over 25 years. We went from a CQR to a Delta and the Delta was light years ahead of the CQR in design and the ability to set. We now use a Mantus which honestly is light years ahead of the Delta, it usually sets within 1’ of where it hits the bottom.
I’m sure a model T was a great car for its times but thank god there’s been constant progress towards better cars, same thought goes towards anchors.
BTW, mine was an original CQR not a knock off.
And yes, we also carry a Danforth ready to go.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I was taught proper ploughing at 9 years of age Attachment 245921

Pretty sad.

Even now when I ride by a tractor with 6 cylinder diesel in the field I recognize that sound of the engine at around 2200 rpm from doing that job 10-12 per day for a few years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X768cLdtmw

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by smj

Since we cruise in areas that have pretty clear water it was customary to dive over and check the set of the anchor. This means checking to see if it had set and also how far it drags before it does set. In both these categories the CQR was abysmal. “Setting” for a CQR basically means how much sand did it build up while laying sideways on the bottom, not even sure why these anchors have a point on them. And of course the distance it took to drag up all that sand.
We haven’t owned a CQR for over 25 years. We went from a CQR to a Delta and the Delta was light years ahead of the CQR in design and the ability to set. We now use a Mantus which honestly is light years ahead of the Delta, it usually sets within 1’ of where it hits the bottom.
I’m sure a model T was a great car for its times but thank god there’s been constant progress towards better cars, same thought goes towards anchors.
BTW, mine was an original CQR not a knock off.
And yes, we also carry a Danforth ready to go.

Wow, I have never checked the set of my CQR or any other anchor I have owned and yet have rarely had my anchors drag.

Maybe it's because I don't power set them but let the tide or speed of the boat do it as I let go the anchor.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by smj

Keeping up with the Joneses? No, it’s called knowing the capabilities of your ground tackle.
Since we cruise in areas that have pretty clear water it was customary to dive over and check the set of the anchor. This means checking to see if it had set and also how far it drags before it does set. In both these categories the CQR was abysmal. “Setting” for a CQR basically means how much sand did it build up while laying sideways on the bottom, not even sure why these anchors have a point on them. And of course the distance it took to drag up all that sand.
We haven’t owned a CQR for over 25 years. We went from a CQR to a Delta and the Delta was light years ahead of the CQR in design and the ability to set. We now use a Mantus which honestly is light years ahead of the Delta, it usually sets within 1’ of where it hits the bottom.
I’m sure a model T was a great car for its times but thank god there’s been constant progress towards better cars, same thought goes towards anchors.
BTW, mine was an original CQR not a knock off.
And yes, we also carry a Danforth ready to go.

So you went from a good preforming anchor to a poorer preforming anchor to a slightly better preforming anchor .
I would be interested in the technique you used with all 3 anchors.

[smj]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Wow, I have never checked the set of my CQR or any other anchor I have owned and yet have rarely had my anchors drag.



Maybe it's because I don't power set them but let the tide or speed of the boat do it as I let go the anchor.

Yes letting the old CQR “soak” for a couple of hours before setting. Sorry but I want an anchor I can release, pay out chain and then set.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by smj

Yes letting the old CQR “soak” for a couple of hours before setting. Sorry but I want an anchor I can release, pay out chain and then set.

Yes exactly- what if the squall doesn’t wait 2 hours after you drop the CQR? Or the emergency where your anchor will keep you off of rocks/reef?

[smj]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Yes exactly- what if the squall doesn’t wait 2 hours after you drop the CQR? Or the emergency where your anchor will keep you off of rocks/reef?

Exactly! I get whiplash If I end up cleating my Mantus of while going to fast backwards as it sets so hard. That’s what I want in an anchor.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Yes it's called keeping up with the joneses

and marketing hype.



I like the fact the CQR knockoffs gave a genuine a bad reputation made mine a lot cheaper to obtain .



No anchor works in every condition so good technique and selection are paramount .



No smart sailor only has one type of anchor on their vessel . I carry a CQR a Bruce a Danforth and because it was free and stores well a box anchor.

( All of which except the box are sized to one size larger than recommended for my boat. )

Nothing to do with that at all. I’ve also used a CQR for 100s of nights. Most of time just fine. Until not. Recently witnessed a drag in Block Island after wind shift that led to a collision. Was not surprised to see a CQR come up on the “stagger”

Better question is who changes to new gen anchor and changes back to CQR

Sorry but with anchoring “good enough” doesn’t let me sleep well

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by smj

Yes letting the old CQR “soak” for a couple of hours before setting. Sorry but I want an anchor I can release, pay out chain and then set.

I set it by 3:1 chain to set then pay out to 5 to one and then put my bridle on to absorb sudden shocks . I have never drug my CQR and it sets within 2 lengths of itself.

Only drug one time with my Danforth and it turned out I was fouled on the now mine box anchor . Which had broken line attached to it .

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Nothing to do with that at all. I’ve also used a CQR for 100s of nights. Most of time just fine. Until not. Recently witnessed a drag in Block Island after wind shift that led to a collision. Was not surprised to see a CQR come up on the “stagger”

Better question is who changes to new gen anchor and changes back to CQR

Sorry but with anchoring “good enough” doesn’t let me sleep well

So you are basing your changing on the seeing of a drag of unknown setting?

If you want to give me one of the few good next gen anchors ( by that they must preform significantly better )
I am willing to try it . But it's not worth the over inflated price they want for them .

An excell#2 or mantus m2 will do but nothing less will even be considered.

[smj]

Originally Posted by newhaul

So you are basing your changing on the seeing of a drag of unknown setting?

If you want to give me one of the few good next gen anchors ( by that they must preform significantly better )
I am willing to try it . But it's not worth the over inflated price they want for them .

An excell#2 or mantus m2 will do but nothing less will even be considered.

And your basing your opinion on something you have no experience with? Priceless!

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Can't believe this thread is still going...

Oh, c'mon, get over it, Mike.


It's tractor video time~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by smj

And your basing your opinion on something you have no experience with? Priceless!

Yes I actually do have experience with several " next gen " anchors on customers and friends vessel long with Steve's rather comprehensive evaluations. To base my opinions on .

[smj]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Yes I actually do have experience with several " next gen " anchors on customers and friends vessel long with Steve's rather comprehensive evaluations. To base my opinions on .

That’s quite extensive [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]