Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 31-12-2014, 18:45   #16
Registered User
 
speakeasy's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: La Paz
Boat: 41' Custom CC Cutter
Posts: 647
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Polyester? Really. I know it floats and splices nicely, but isn't it hard to knot and stiff as hell for small anchor lockers?
__________________
"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." ---Aldous Huxley
speakeasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-12-2014, 18:54   #17
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Quote:
Originally Posted by speakeasy View Post
Polyester? Really. I know it floats and splices nicely, but isn't it hard to knot and stiff as hell for small anchor lockers?
Polyester is otherwise known as Dacron. Typically found on boats as double braid, for things like jib sheets. And unless I'm mistaken, you're referring to polyethylene, AKA water ski tow rope. Or something of that ilk. Does the stuff which you're describing have like zero UV resistance? If so it's likely in the water ski tow rope family.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-12-2014, 19:11   #18
Registered User
 
speakeasy's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: La Paz
Boat: 41' Custom CC Cutter
Posts: 647
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Right you are. Polyethylene what I was thinking of. doh
__________________
"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." ---Aldous Huxley
speakeasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-12-2014, 19:11   #19
Registered User
 
susswein's Avatar

Join Date: May 2012
Location: live in Utah, Sail in sea of cortez
Boat: Balboa 27
Posts: 174
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

My favorite is used climbing ropes. They are designed to be dynamic (controlled stretch to absorb shock) by nature, strong (5000 lbs minimum for 10mm), extremely supple compared to marine line, and cheap. Climbers typically discard ropes every year or tow after they've taken a certain number of falls, and you can pick up a 200' rope for $40.
susswein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 01:08   #20
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Climbing ropes were on my short list, gear wise, years ago when I had a small boat. Do you find yourself needing to use different types of knots due to their slipperiness? That, & does their hydtrophobic coating affect how you use them, & if so, in what way?
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 08:14   #21
Registered User
 
colemj's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,104
Images: 12
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Quote:
Originally Posted by speakeasy View Post
Right you are. Polyethylene what I was thinking of. doh
Polypropylene.

Mark
__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 08:16   #22
Registered User
 
colemj's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,104
Images: 12
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

If you wish for the anchor rope to work in a rope/chain windlass, 3-strand is the best, followed more distantly by brait/octoplait (some gypsies work well with it, while others do not). Any of the other types of rope mentioned here will not work in a rope/chain gypsy.

Mark
__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 08:34   #23
Registered User
 
susswein's Avatar

Join Date: May 2012
Location: live in Utah, Sail in sea of cortez
Boat: Balboa 27
Posts: 174
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Quote:
Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED View Post
Climbing ropes were on my short list, gear wise, years ago when I had a small boat. Do you find yourself needing to use different types of knots due to their slipperiness? That, & does their hydtrophobic coating affect how you use them, & if so, in what way?
I use the same suite of knots whether climbing or sailing: clove hitch, figure 8, double fisherman's, and bowline.

I also use (new) static climbing line in various diameters for all my running rigging. It's significantly cheaper than sailing specific line.
susswein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 09:26   #24
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cruising Indian Ocean / Red Sea - home is Zimbabwe
Boat: V45
Posts: 1,342
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Guys/Gals; Happy New Year.
1) Polyprop is not recommended for tropical use - it fails swiftly with UV degradation.
If you look on eBay you'll see plenty of ex-Royal Navy polyprop lines that have reached what the RN call their sell-by date. There is good reason for that bargain.
2) Climbing ropes are not good for rigging on a cruiser. They have too much stretch. I grant that for smaller boats you may get away with them. I also buy used climbing ropes (generally 9.5-10.5mm dia) and use them for all sort of applications - but never for rigging, altho' in an emergency I would use anything.
Bulawayo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 10:44   #25
Registered User
 
susswein's Avatar

Join Date: May 2012
Location: live in Utah, Sail in sea of cortez
Boat: Balboa 27
Posts: 174
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulawayo View Post
.
2) Climbing ropes are not good for rigging on a cruiser. They have too much stretch. I grant that for smaller boats you may get away with them. I also buy used climbing ropes (generally 9.5-10.5mm dia) and use them for all sort of applications - but never for rigging, altho' in an emergency I would use anything.
There are 3 types of climbing rope:

1) dynamic ropes used for lead climbing. These have a large amount of stretch to absorb shock loads, and work well for mooring pendants dock lines and anchor line. Easily bought used. Typically 9-11mm; standard lengths are 50, 60, and 70 meters
2) static rope. No/low stretch. Used for top roping, canyoneering, and rapelling. Typically found in the same diameters and lengths as dynamic rope mentioned above. This is what I use for halyards and jib sheets.
if you have a local climbing gym there's a good chance you can get all the static and dynamic rope you want as they tend to replace ropes often for insurance reasons.
3) accessory cord. Also no/low stretch. Used for various rigging purposes. Comes in diameters of 3-8 mm including 5-6mm vectran. This is what I use for running rigging like reefing lines. I'll probably use the vectran version when I relace my standing rigging. There's a new 3mm vectran available that's rated at over 3000 lbs that I'll probably use to replace my lifelines at some point. One of the big advantages of climbing cord over something like sta-set is that it comes in a gazilllion different colors.

Another useful climbing material is tubular webbing, which comes in 9/16" nad 1" widths. This is the perfect material for jacklines, and a lot of folks also use it for shore ties in the northwest.
susswein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 10:59   #26
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 26,596
Images: 2
pirate Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Multi plait Rocks...
Pretty easy to chain splice.. stows really well unlike most 3 braids..
Luv the stuff.
__________________


Born To Be Wild.. Double Click on the picture.
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 11:37   #27
Registered User
 
UNCIVILIZED's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Thanks for the tip on where to source used climbing ropes. In return, a suggestion/bit of wisdom. I'd suggest something a wee bit thicker than 3mm for your lifelines, even if it is Vectran & rated at 1.5 tons. As a guy who's caught himself from going for an accidental swim thanks to said magical perimeter around the boat, it's nice to have something big enough to get a grip on if you need to. And I've tried it on 3mm (550 cord), it ain't easy. But then adding in a Samthane coating, & that 12 strand weave, good luck.

Plus there are other things to consider like UV (which is a big vote for Spectra, it laughs at el Sol), abrasion, etc. So perhaps you might go with 6mm, or even 8mm. It's not as if you've got a lot of lineal real estate, life line wise. Oh, & of course I'm fairly certain that you'd know to use chafe covers where it goes through the stanchions. Which is especially important, as they're looking at nixing Spectra lifelines on race boats, due to chafe induced failures.
__________________

The Uncommon Thing, The Hard Thing, The Important Thing (in Life): Making Promises to Yourself, And Keeping Them.
UNCIVILIZED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2015, 11:45   #28
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cruising Indian Ocean / Red Sea - home is Zimbabwe
Boat: V45
Posts: 1,342
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Hi Susswein.
I just learnt something new.......and even worse I belonged to the University climbing club many, many years ago! I buy my used climbing ropes used from eBay. As liveaboards it is always 'fun' shopping for items and getting them delivered. Unfortunately, our boat (45' cat) is a little too large / fat to use them extensively on. However, they get cut up for all sorts of uses and the kids are always disappearing with them for various projects. All our fenders use climbing ropes, dinghies are secured for sea using them, more lengths are used (with chain) on the dinghy anchors, they are used for dinghy hoisting, scuba tanks are hung off the stern when diving, on the rare occasion that we tow a dinghy the climbing ropes are used and they are pretty cheap to buy used. We have always some to hand.
Thank you for the info......shall now be on the look out for the largest diameter as an emergency halyard.
Bulawayo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2015, 06:57   #29
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,483
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

Quote:
Originally Posted by speakeasy View Post
Polyester? Really. I know it floats and splices nicely, but isn't it hard to knot and stiff as hell for small anchor lockers?
You have not done your homework, have you.

E.g. LIROS GmbH*|*Details

Dacron ropes do not float, are not stiff.

Maybe you mean polypropylene.

b.
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2015, 07:54   #30
Registered User
 
nautical62's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Live Iowa - Sail mostly Bahamas
Boat: Beneteau 32.5
Posts: 2,306
Images: 12
Re: Best rope for anchor rode

I also use retired climbing ropes. (after 75 feet of chain) They spaghetti much easier in the locker and the price is right.
nautical62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
anchor, rode, rope

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Do you Like your Rope Rode ? Delancey Anchoring & Mooring 79 26-12-2013 19:16
Anchor Bridle and connecting to a nylon rope rode CCR2580 Monohull Sailboats 4 31-03-2013 15:56
Securing Rope Anchor Rode Tobey Seamanship & Boat Handling 14 15-03-2012 13:11
Storing Chain / Rope Combo Rode Sea Jay Anchoring & Mooring 20 04-04-2011 00:27
rope rode markers? Boomp General Sailing Forum 8 03-05-2008 12:52

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 21:40.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.