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Boomp · 13-01-2009, 06:14

That picture made my day. That anchor has not been on the market very long and it just goes to reinforce the rule...'you get what you pay for'. The rusting will lead to more weakness and ultimately failure.
If someone ever sees a bent or rusting Rocna I'd like to see it.
Then I'll have to sell my boat so I can purchase a stainless Rocna

gettinthere · 13-01-2009, 14:50

boom
I'm guessing you glossed over the comments posted here and read what you wanted to read. Looks like those who bought rocnas before china production are lucky. now when shopping a rocna, how will you tell if they are chinese knockoffs of themselves?
"is that a real rocna or a chinese rocna?"

**noelex 77** · 13-01-2009, 16:42

This post seems to have developed into the "Rocna" camp and the "Manson" camp. Lets not forget they are both great anchors. The forcast for tonight in my area is Beaufort force 9 (I dont think it will reach that hopefully) if I did not have a Rocna anchor I would happy with a Manson Supreme and I suspect the Manson advocates would be happy with a similar sized Rocna in the same circumstances.

Boomp · 13-01-2009, 17:01

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Originally Posted by gettinthere

boom
I'm guessing you glossed over the comments posted here and read what you wanted to read. Looks like those who bought rocnas before china production are lucky. now when shopping a rocna, how will you tell if they are chinese knockoffs of themselves?
"is that a real rocna or a chinese rocna?"

No, I was refering to the picture. The bent anchor and rust said a lot. True, I am glad I don't have one from China, it will amount to just another nock off. As for Rocna or Manson camp. I'll stick w Camp Rocna.

Celestialsailor · 13-01-2009, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Boomp

That picture made my day. That anchor has not been on the market very long and it just goes to reinforce the rule...'you get what you pay for'. The rusting will lead to more weakness and ultimately failure.
If someone ever sees a bent or rusting Rocna I'd like to see it.
Then I'll have to sell my boat so I can purchase a stainless Rocna

You probably will see it if they are made in China

betodas · 13-01-2009, 20:39

I'm representing camp Spade.

GMac · 13-01-2009, 23:15

I'm representing the camp that says most mainstream anchors are perfectly fine for 99% of all recreational boaters if they set up well and used correctly.

**noelex 77** · 14-01-2009, 04:33

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Originally Posted by GMac

I'm representing the camp that says most mainstream anchors are perfectly fine for 99% of all recreational boaters if they set up well and used correctly.

I think you are correct, but only because 99% of recreational boaters use their anchor to secure the vessel while fishing or having lunch. For cruising boats anchor "failure" is much more common at least when cruising parts of the world with difficult anchorages.
In the weedy anchorages of the Med when the wind gets above 25k about 50% of the boats drag. About half of the dragging seems due to poor execution or technique, but that still leaves 25% of boats where there anchor was not fine.
I have a boat sitting on the beach behind me that will need a crane and I know the owner would not describe his anchor as "perfectly fine".
I would urge all crusing yachts to go with the best anchoring equipment you can get.

GMac · 14-01-2009, 11:52

I think you'll find his anchor was most likely perfectly fine but it wasn't set up/ sized or used right rather than a shocker of an anchor.

I see many cruisers turn up here and they use some of the weirdest old school anchors and some with anchors I would regard as small for the boat. If they made it all the way down here it does mean those anchor systems can't be all bad. Surprisingly we see many Danforth types as primaries.

And don't discount the fact many places are just crappy anchorages where anything is going to struggle. We have a couple of local spots where you know as soon as the wind gets up into the 30's boats will be off all over the place. It's just a spot with very poor holding.

Anchors usually get the blame when a poorly set up system fails. Often the anchor is fine and the rest of it is bad or mis-matching. We see it a couple of times a week. People do get fixated only on the anchor.

But you are right Nolex, cruisers are recommended to get the best they can and set it up similar as they do put more reliance on anchoring systems than most others. They are the other 1% of recreational boaters.

gettinthere · 14-01-2009, 13:39

Any anchor may be fine, proper technique may be the answer.

But poor galvanizing/construction is different issue. Manson says this rust is not something they see and that it is likely to be electrolysis. Meanwhile rocna has changed their manufacturing to china, who doesn't have the best QC reputation. Can we trust the chinese knockoffs from rocna to hold up? Is the manson rust indeed a one off occurance?

sabray · 14-01-2009, 14:00

I bent the shank on a 45lb cqr in dead horse bay new york. It set so solid I thought I was going to leave it behind. When it did come out I thought the lights of New york were going to go out. Don't think I did anything wrong just snag up on something maybe a power line. I don't think any less of the anchor either.

Hiracer · 14-01-2009, 14:26

Welds. If your anchor depends on welds to stay together, who do you want doing the welding?

I just called Suncoast. They are still making Rocna anchors and expect to continue indefinitely, except in the smaller sizes where NZ can make them cheaper. Suncoast has currently in stock both NZ and locally made Rocnas; zero China made anchors.

FWIW.

Good buddy just purchased a 45# Rocna based on my advice. Good to confirm it's North American made.

I did not confirm whether NZ will completely stop making Rocnas. Got the impression that is not definite at this point in time.

Islandmike · 14-01-2009, 16:26

My Manson Supreme has performed flawlessly.... I have only had it since November, but we have anchored in 5 gale wind storms..... I love it..
Not sure I would want anything from China that my life depends on.

GMac · 14-01-2009, 21:54

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Originally Posted by gettinthere

Any anchor may be fine, proper technique may be the answer.

Technique is a massive part of anchoring with any anchor but less technique is needed with the new gen ones. Over Xmas we saw some shocking examples, mostly short scoping, luckily the weather was so limp.

That's why we like the new ones so much, they are a lot more idiot proof. I don't know what it's like where you all are but I can say we are not short of water-borne idiots here

We have a Louis Vitton Cup starting here next week and that will bring out some very spooky boaters.