Anchors - Bigger is Better ?

[sailorboy1]

When I was in the Navy the boat had 1, only 1, anchor and it was a mushroom anchor for a 243 foot vessel. And I guarantee that we would not have been able to pull it up by hand if the windlass failed.

So what the Navy uses doesn't really matter in this discussion.





Now the boat was a nuclear submarine, but still

[Panope]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

When I was in the Navy the boat had 1, only 1, anchor and it was a mushroom anchor for a 243 foot vessel. And I guarantee that we would not have been able to pull it up by hand if the windlass failed.

So what the Navy uses doesn't really matter in this discussion.


Now the boat was a nuclear submarine, but still

Imagine the perfect storm threatening your pristine anchorage. No worries - just sink that thing and ride it out on the bottom! You would always have terrific scope at infinity to one. No swinging/sailing at anchor. No neighbors and their noisy gensets. No mosquitoes. No machete wielding thieves. This solves a whole host of anchoring problems with one simple system.

Steve

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by Panope

Imagine the perfect storm threatening your pristine anchorage. No worries - just sink that thing and ride it out on the bottom! You would always have terrific scope at infinity to one. No swinging/sailing at anchor. No neighbors and their noisy gensets. No mosquitoes. No machete wielding thieves. This solves a whole host of anchoring problems with one simple system.

Steve

And, if threatened by a machete wielding thief, you can always reduce them to hamburger aerosol with a mini gun.

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

...looking at high end boats that were more than $1 million. It was wild in that none of them came with next generation anchors and were standard with either CQRs or Deltas.

Of course.
This guarantees a future sale of a new gen anchor
(to those that *do* anchor).

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by Delfin

Subjectively they dragged for 50 percent further than the convex anchors before re-setting.

Subjectively?
How does that work?

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

That is a big range and the trend goes the wrong way, with better anchors generally recommending heavier weights...

My interpretation is this-
the more deeply these manufacturers look
into the role and function of anchors,
the more evident it is to them
that bigger really *is* better!

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by Stumble

...type approval is required to even be relevant to the conversation these days.

I'm on the other side of that river.
I have less than zero interest
in the public opinions of governmental agencies.
They have their own agendas
and it is rarely the protection of sailors.

Just saying.

Edit-
I didn't notice the line below your name
until after I had posted my response.
That explains the difference in our perspective.

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by Fortress

"I've used the Fortress as my primary anchor in sand and mud bottoms for more than 20 years. I have found the Fortress to be thoroughly dependable."

- Elbert S. Maloney, 90+ years old, author for several decades of "Chapman Piloting: Seamanship & Small Boat Handling"

Such a statement by a sailor of such experience and authority
means more than all the certifications ever printed.
IMO, of course.

[JonJo]

Originally Posted by Shas Cho

I'm on the other side of that river.
I have less than zero interest
in the public opinions of governmental agencies.
They have their own agendas
and it is rarely the protection of sailors.

Just saying.

Edit-
I didn't notice the line below your name
until after I had posted my response.
That explains the difference in our perspective.

I do not think you will find that a single Classification Society (except maybe the one in China) is a government agency.

[congo]

Re: Anchors, Bigger is Better?
Quote:
Originally Posted by noelex 77
That is a big range and the trend goes the wrong way, with better anchors generally recommending heavier weights...

Shas Cho wrote:

My interpretation is this-
the more deeply these manufacturers look
into the role and function of anchors,
the more evident it is to them
that bigger really *is* better!


Not all Manufactures, bigger has its place I believe as a storm anchor for reasons many times I have explained.


Regards Rex.

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by JonJo

I do not think you will find that a single Classification Society (except maybe the one in China) is a government agency.

That's "governmental", not "government."

[Shas Cho]

Originally Posted by congo

That is a big range and the trend goes the wrong way, with better anchors generally recommending heavier weights...

Shas Cho wrote:

My interpretation is this-
the more deeply these manufacturers look...


Not all Manufactures...

Nobody was speaking of *all* manufacturers, Rex.
Noelex 77 said "generally"
and I said "THESE manufacturers."
Relax.
I'm not the guy chewing on your ankles :=)

[Stumble]

Originally Posted by Shas Cho

I'm on the other side of that river.
I have less than zero interest
in the public opinions of governmental agencies.
They have their own agendas
and it is rarely the protection of sailors.

Just saying.

Edit-
I didn't notice the line below your name
until after I had posted my response.
That explains the difference in our perspective.

They aren't government entities, they are really tools of insurance companies whose agenda is pretty much to reduce the number and size of claims. In fact the best known of them, LLoyds started as an insurance company tired of paying out huge claims for lost boats, and started to write requirements in order for boats to be insurable.

The only person in the world that cares half as much abut your boats well being in your insurance company.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by congo

We still rely solely on the Marine authorizes surveyors spec's, being certified we have learnt from many years in the business of supplying boats under survey that our anchor specs are pretty much as to what they spec.

Just supplied a boat under survey, 37 ft Steaber Craft---12 ton with healthy wind age—30 K.G. Excel, boats licensed to carry twelve, this basically is what I would have specked anyway, of all discussion on this thread, over twenty years we have not had problems with our anchor sizing, either extremely lucky or running with the experience of the marine authorities professional engineers has kept us in good stead.

Regards Rex.

Interesting. So you wouldn't suggest someone with a 45 foot 6.5 tonne boat choose a number 6 Excel then, given that it falls pretty much right in the number 5's range, right?

[congo]

44 Cruisingcat.

The boat we supplied that anchor for is a charter boat, fishing boat, their needs for anchoring are quite different to someone anchoring over night, further for a yacht with a keel would be different, mono and multi hulls are also specked differently.

Regards Rex.