Anchor upgrade

[Dorado33]

Hi folks...
We have a Westerly 33ft ketch in Greece....I am considering the minefield of an anchor . Currently we have a CQR 35lb.....
I was thinking of going up to a Lewmar Delta 15kg or maybe 20kg even.
We use 70m of 8mm chain at present.
If I were to stretch the budget which Rocna ? Their site is strange on the sizing chart.
We are liveaboards and need to sleep whilst on the hook !

[UNCIVILIZED]

Keep it simple then, & get the same sized Rocna as you're proposing in a Delta; 15kg or 20kg. You'll likely sleep better if you go bigger. And that said, if your budget's tight, look at Mantus anchors. They're less $ per lb/kg than are Rocnas & other new generation anchors (Mantus, & Spade). In addition to being stowable.

All of the above anchors provide good numbers detailing the anchor's physical size, so see what'll fit your roller when considering them. But also know that any of the new gen anchors will set & hold better than Deltas & CQRs.

[skipmac]

I cruised for a few years on a 32' racer/cruiser using a 35 lb CQR. A few times found it not quite adequate. Even though new generation anchors are much better I would still sleep better with a 20 Kg version in your situation.

[GordMay]

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Dorado.

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by Dorado33

If I were to stretch the budget which Rocna ? Their site is strange on the sizing chart.

Welcome to the forum Dorado.

I think the Rocna sizes are more reliastic than Delta suggests.

There is an incentive for anchor manufacturers to recommend anchors that are too small. The main advantage is when supplying anchors to companies like Beneteau that include an anchor as part of their original equipment. The yacht manufacturer cannot supply an anchor that is smaller than the anchor manufacturer recommends. By choosing an anchor manufacturer that recommends a very small anchor, there are considerable savings not just for the anchor, but anchor winch etc.

So the anchor manufacturer that recommends the smallest anchor size is likely to win the lucrative supply contracts.

There is also a perception from the anchor buying public that the company that recommends the smallest anchors must make the best anchors.

If you really must go with a small anchor, in my view a Mantus or a Rocna will easily beat the same sized Delta. However, I would not recommend going smaller than Rocna or Mantus recommend, no matter which anchor you choose. It should also be noted that the Rocna warranty, which also covers the anchor against deformation (bending), is void if you choose an anchor that is smaller than recommended. The Delta warranty does not cover bending.

[Cotemar]

We gave away 2 brand new Delta anchors for FREE a while back.

They make great Mail box post.

Manta or Rocna would get my vote. These usually fit most boats like a glove with no modifications.

You will have to do your homework with a Mantus anchor, as a great many cruisers have had to do some boat modifications to make them work properly.
The Mantus anchors have longer shanks and larger roll bars which may need to be addressed to fit your specific boat.
They are great anchors, but only if they fit.
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http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ml#post2243341
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[Dorado33]

Hi All,

Thanks for all the helpful replies....I think I will save a few more pennies and rather than go for a Delta, get the Rocna 20....I like my sleep too :-)

[bvander]

The old Delta and CQR sizing tables were based on 35 kts wind. Rocna tables are based on holding in 50 kts windS and associated seas. My first Rocna replaced my CQR 20kg, was same wieght and yet undersized and held no problem in 45 kts in an exposed anchorage. We have since upped to 25kg.

[Dorado33]

Hi Bvander,

Ahh thanks for the info I wasn't aware of that...... well I am thinking of replacing the 15kg (35 lb) CQR with a 15kg Rocna albeit I believe the 16kg Manson Supreme would also be an alternative....I am currently using 8mm chain (70m) .... I think the 20kg anchors maybe a bit of overkill as on the Rocna and Manson sites the 33ft yacht of mine at 6.7 tonnes is well within the 15kg limits and some ... What do you think ?

[Dorado33]

Thinking Manson 20kg now....just need to find a dealer in Greece (Lefkas area) as postage from U.K. is somewhat expensive !

[Suijin]

I have the Rocna 20 kg on my 13 ton boat. Would have gone a size larger if I were buying new, because why not, but got a great deal on a 20 kg. It has been more than adequate in some pretty fierce conditions, unquestionably superior to my 45 lb. CQR that sits next to it on the rollers now as backup.

20 kg would be more than adequate for your boat. It's also still pretty easily handled.

[Spade Anchor]

Hello,
You can actually upgrade your upgrade by purchasing a Spade Anchor (30% OFF). Our Anchors are currently priced with in 5% (lower or higher) of a Rocna Anchor.
https://www.spadeanchorusa.com/anchor-sizes

[bvander]

Originally Posted by Dorado33

Hi Bvander,

Ahh thanks for the info I wasn't aware of that...... well I am thinking of replacing the 15kg (35 lb) CQR with a 15kg Rocna albeit I believe the 16kg Manson Supreme would also be an alternative....I am currently using 8mm chain (70m) .... I think the 20kg anchors maybe a bit of overkill as on the Rocna and Manson sites the 33ft yacht of mine at 6.7 tonnes is well within the 15kg limits and some ... What do you think ?

15kg would work very well for you. 8mm chain, providing it's G40, is perfect as well. Only thing is a snubber, easy to make from 3 strand nylon.

[Dorado33]

Thanks again Suijin and Bvander....
Price wise the Manson Supreme 20kg is more of less the same as a Rocna 15kg...... ?? Its a tough decision and I want to get it right.....as I said we are living aboard and had a coupe of anchor drags last year with the CQR 15kg.....

I am leaning towards the Manson 20kg unless anyone thinks the Rocna 15kg will do the job for me.... I appreciate there is still no guarantees and have met a few yachts who say their Rocna let them down but only occasionally !

[Cotemar]

Manson and Rocna anchors are basically clones. They are both Shovel (concave) anchors.

If the Manson 20kg is the same price as the Rocna 15kg.
Then buy the heavier Manson 20kg.