Anchor Poll

[stevewrye]

New boat 44 ft, 22000 pounds empty will have a 66lb Spade with 100 meters of chain, second anchor, Manson S, 40 something lbs stowed away 30 meters of chain, 60Meters rode. Third anchor Fortress 27 with 20 foot of chain 200 ft of rode on stern as spare.

Last boat Bruce 35killo second CQR third Fortress 27.

Things are way better now with the Spade and Manson. Don't get me wrong the Bruce was a good anchor and always held but no where close to what the new anchors can do.

The CQR was a joke.

[JonJo]

Its been said before but this poll looks more and more suspect. In my view Cruiser's Forum is going to lose its reputation for independence. But it looks increasingly that the results are skewed - the polls been hi-jacked?

Or show me it is not possible.

[Sailor g]

Originally Posted by JonJo

Its been said before but this poll looks more and more suspect. In my view Cruiser's Forum is going to lose its reputation for independence. But it looks increasingly that the results are skewed - the polls been hi-jacked?

Or show me it is not possible.

Why would you say it's skewed? I know many who respond are ones who respond often & I trust their responses to be real. I know mine was exactly what I use. I think anchor choice goes in trends so has much to do with age of the boat-CQR was popular years ago as Fortress & Manson is now. Buy what you find works in your area for how you use it. As mentioned knowing how to anchor is essential-if not set right- the type doesn't matter.

[Hudson Force]

The poll should be considered a casual survey and not an accurate set of data; afterall, the choices of anchors on the poll were increased after the poll began.

[JonJo]

Originally Posted by Sailor g

Why would you say it's skewed? I think anchor choice goes in trends so has much to do with age of the boat-CQR was popular years ago as Fortress & Manson is now.

Precisely my point:

You say it is popular, I do not disagree, count the votes for Fortress?

[stevewrye]

Originally Posted by JonJo

Precisely my point:

You say it is popular, I do not disagree, count the votes for Fortress?

Fortress is a great anchor but on most boats going long distance and over 20,000 pounds I'm not sure it would be a primary. Remember, bend a fortress fluke on a rock or a coral head and the anchor is done, it will not set properly.

The poll asks what is your primary.

My two cents on poll. Mostly N. Americans on forum and a little slower switching over from Bruce and CQR because so many boats here came with them. Most Euro's, Kiwi's and Aussies have made the change to more modern anchors. But most N. Americans eventually will change over because the new anchors are better anchors no matter what a sailors skills are.

What is amazing to me is power boats with high cabin tops and flying bridges, and most have the baby anchor on the bow and little chain.

[Sailor g]

I agree. We have 2 Fortresses. One as a third backup anchor the other as a stern anchor. We were active cruisers so we updated our anchors but didn't buy into the new types (we went out in 2008 ). Never had an issue either. Those who aren't active (or anchor at all) have no reason to buy new anchors. How many on this forum have older boats with older style anchors or on a budget so wouldn't buy new. Maybe that's why the numbers aren't what you expect.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by JonJo

Its been said before but this poll looks more and more suspect. In my view Cruiser's Forum is going to lose its reputation for independence. But it looks increasingly that the results are skewed - the polls been hi-jacked?

Or show me it is not possible.

Jonjo,

As long as you like your Primary 16kg Anchor Right SARCA Excel and secoundary Fortress FX23 all is good. Its a nice anchor and no worries.
You are on an internet forum. No one is jacking your chain here its all good fun. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Mark

[JonJo]

Thanks Mark,

Will try harder to keep my sense of proportion

Have a good Xmas!

[Pete the Cat]

I cruised 10000 mile and two years with my 35 CQR on my Tartan 37 in Central America. No drag,partly because I lay out enough chain and partly just luck. I get a charge out of folks who think if they just pay $800 for an anchor they won't drag. Wish I had thought of that sales angle. Got to hand it to Rocna and Manson. Great marketing.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by Pete the Cat

Wish I had thought of that sales angle. Got to hand it to Rocna and Manson. Great marketing.

Yes, but there is always someone that wants to steal your lunch.
Mantus marketing shows them all dragging except the one and only Mantus. Its all pretty entertaining.
Especially at the end when the Mantus breaks loose and he almost gets castrated.

Mantus Anchor, Best all-around - YouTube

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[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by markpierce

You aren't the only one. There are three boats on my dock with a CQR/Bruce combination.

Looks so familiar:
74 #CQR & 55# Bruce. I like the Bruce because I can manage it in the dinghy if we need to set a second hook. 121# ROCNA will retire the CQR to the lazerette in the spring.

[Nicholson58]

Funny how the manufacturer's promo seems to point in their favor. Its been a while since I looked up independant pull tests. There have been a lot of test pulls added to the pool of data. The effectiveness can vary a lot depending on the bottom and many other factors we all know about.

Here are just a few that you might find interesting:

Anchoring Beyond 2007 (Coastguard Member

The West Advisor: anchor testing

Anchor Testing and Rode Loads - Practical Sailor Article

Testing procedures for boat anchor performance tests

Interesting discussion Pre-new generation http://seagrant.uaf.edu/bookstore/bo...er/anchors.pdf and http://offshore.ussailing.org/Assets...chor+study.pdf

[downunder]

Originally Posted by Pete the Cat

I cruised 10000 mile and two years with my 35 CQR on my Tartan 37 in Central America. No drag,partly because I lay out enough chain and partly just luck. I get a charge out of folks who think if they just pay $800 for an anchor they won't drag. Wish I had thought of that sales angle. Got to hand it to Rocna and Manson. Great marketing.

Fair chance also that Manson and Rocna were not readily available as a option when you were outfitting your vessel. As you say using sound techniques and all chain is how most survived before the option of improved anchors.

Are you saying that if you were outfitting a vessel without anchor in 2012 you would choose a CQR rather than a Manson/ROCNA.

You don't believe anchors have improved since the CQR??

[JonJo]

Until anchor makers lay seabeds where we want them and they can educate the rest of us I'd steer well clear of anyone who claims their anchor will not drag.