Anchor Poll

[Jim Cate]

I wonder:

All the "CQR's" noted in the poll and in the marina walk-arounds... I wonder if they are really genuine CQR's or the much cheaper knockoffs? On a similar walk-around in a marina in Manly Qld I saw lots of crappy knockoffs and damn few real CQR's. There is a big difference in performance...

Cheers,

Jim

[JonJo]

My understanding of Wasi, re their Bugel, was that the company specialised in, and only in, stainless steel marine fabrication. The Bugel was simply another product and way to maximise the use of their skills. Much, all, of their product is of exceptional quality. For them to build a galvanised model would need a new raw material stream, new welding stream, acid dipping, or sand blasting, galvanising. In hindsight the gal version has taken off - but Wasi seems to have survived despite its absence from their portfolio.

It might be that the Wasi Bugel is made, in whole or part, from 2205 stainless which would put its strength beyond a lot of brand name anchors many unbranded models and probably stronger than the rip-off bugels that are common all round the world.

[vari]

Hi Jonjo,
I agree that 2205 duplex stainless is the DBs for strength and other mechanical properties (510 MPa) but compared to S275 (275 MPa) the cost of 2205 material is many times more. S275 is sufficient for anchors and is only as good as the weakest link....

Polished anchors look pretty on the bow but galvanized ones do the same job.

If I could afford or have the facilities in work I would have two on the bow.

Regards

Vari

[Wotname]

Just in the process of upgrading from a 35 lb CQR knock-off to a 16 Kg Sarca Excel - the old CQR KO is now secondary to the Excel and the old secondary Danfoth KO is 3rd standby .

50 metres of 8mm (5/16") short link chain and 50 metres of 14 mm 8 plait nylon as primary rode.

[JonJo]

Vari,

I was not suggesting that anyone should buy a stainless steel anchor, like you it seems a waste of money. It is only visible when you are in a marina and I find it difficult to believe it enhances anything when stuck in the seabed. However I was critical of the suggestion that Wasi might only use 316 for their Bugel (and incredulous that anyone should think they need start a galvanised line) - It is possible, they use 316 and engineer strength into the thickness of the shank, but they are a highly reputable company and it is possible they use better stainless and I prefer that people check prior to damning them.

[noelex 77]

SS anchors have a reputation for as only there for "bling"
I am not so sure.
The other side of the coin is SS has some appeal for someone like myself who anchors almost 365 days a year. The problem is with sort of abuse the galvanising has a short life say 3-5 years.
Away from your home port galvanising companies are hard to find and often expensive. Some anchors like Spade cannot be re-galvanised.

One of the drawbacks are that SS anchors are ridiculously expensive. SS is dearer than ordinary steel, but premium charged seems totally out of proportion.

[vari]

Jonjo,

There is definitely a market for the shiny anchors.

Regards
Vari

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

.......
One of the drawbacks are that SS anchors are ridiculously expensive. SS is dearer than ordinary steel, but premium charged seems totally out of proportion.

The polishing of the SS before and after fabrication adds substantially to the cost.
Good point re the galvanising life span and remote sites!

[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by Wotname

The polishing of the SS before and after fabrication adds substantially to the cost.
Good point re the galvanising life span and remote sites!

The problem is perception. You can make a SS anchor without the massive hand work of micropolishing and the final chemical polish but you (we) all expect to see a mirror if its SS. Stainless comes in rolled plate and forgings just like steel and castings are rough like cast iron. I might be tempted for the 2X price increase but not the 4 to 10X we usually see.

[zeehag]

my cqr is original as is my bruce.
i loved my cqr until i met bruce--now he is my love--30 kg bruce is perfect anchor for this area of rocky coast. sets well and sticks perfectly.

[Hudson Force]

[QUOTE=zeehag;1108018].......i loved my cqr until i met bruce..../QUOTE]

Me too! Bruce #1 & CQR standing by.

[downunder]

Originally Posted by zeehag

my cqr is original as is my bruce.
i loved my cqr until i met bruce--now he is my love--30 kg bruce is perfect anchor for this area of rocky coast. sets well and sticks perfectly.

I bet however, if someone gave a 30kg sized Manson, Rocna, Sarca, Spade you would be using that rather than the Bruce. Could happen.

Cheers

[Hudson Force]

Originally Posted by downunder

I bet however, if someone gave a 30kg sized Manson, Rocna, Sarca, Spade you would be using that rather than the Bruce. Could happen.

Cheers

I had a choice for one of these anchors, but I turned it down because of the "roll bar" configuration that would require a radical refit of my anchor davit space. "Could happen",- did happen, but it didn't suit!

[downunder]

Shame.

Good opportunity lost.

One of reasons I like the SARCA excel.

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by zeehag

my cqr is original as is my bruce.
i loved my cqr until i met bruce--now he is my love--30 kg bruce is perfect anchor for this area of rocky coast. sets well and sticks perfectly.

You aren't the only one. There are three boats on my dock with a CQR/Bruce combination.