Alternative Anchor Hauling Method

[KISS]

Originally Posted by Cadence

A trip line to the other end of the stock had been common practice to unset an anchor.

You mean tied to a buoy above the anchor (as hanami suggested), or tied to the bow as in the OP, or something else?

I think your post accomplished it's intent Groucho. It seems adding some fun is fun....I find it comical but almost sad that some take you serious.

Though I might a apply a little wit from time to time to make a point, in general, I'm not joking.

[KISS]

Originally Posted by boatman61

A halyard is a rope ... Yes, very astute.. However a Sheet is also a rope.. and is chosen in size for extra load.. a rode can also be a rope and... once again is bigger/stronger whatever to take the load..
Suggest you Google nautical... Then get sensible... Lmao

By googling "nautical" will I locate the point you failed to make in your post?

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by boatman61

A halyard is a rope ... Yes, very astute.. However a Sheet is also a rope.. and is chosen in size for extra load.. a rode can also be a rope and... once again is bigger/stronger whatever to take the load..
Suggest you Google nautical... Then get sensible... Lmao

Lighten up. Only a rope when not used as either. I'm not ever shore there is a rope onboard. A line, painter, hawser or whatever. I think it becomes a non-rope leaving the dock.

[boatman61]

You can take a horse to water... but you can't make him drink..
I'm outs here... your a waste of space

Originally Posted by KISS

By googling "nautical" will I locate the point you failed to make in your post?

Try looking over your head... you may just catch it flying past..
just behind everything else you seem intent on ignoring..
Ypu

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Cadence

Lighten up. Only a rope when not used as either. I'm not ever shore there is a rope onboard. A line, painter, hawser or whatever. I think it becomes a non-rope leaving the dock.

aI'm light...

what's your problem.. wanna step out for a dance hunny

[Jim Cate]

1. A halyard is a rope, nothing more. Any winch which pulls rope can be called a halyard winch, no matter what it's hauling (sail or anchor) or where it's located (mast or bow). If you don't believe me, consult a dictionary.

Actually,it might be more to the point for YOU to consult a sailor about what a halyard is, and what a halyard winch is.

2. Where you should mount a halyard winch depends on what it's being used for. A winch being used to adjust sails is conventionally located on the mast because that's the convenient place for that purpose. But that location makes no sense if using the winch to haul an anchor. The bow makes sense.

See above comment. You have no idea how silly you sound!

From the manufacturers websites and/or product manuals.

One of the windlasses I mentioned was the Lewmar H2. It has a max pulling power of 1433lbs. Wow! That's a lot! Yeaaaaa, but the WLL is only 360lbs.

http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?i...=110&channel=1

Compare this to the little #20 harken winch. It has a WLL of 1213lbs
Harken

Hmmm... you seem to be comparing a normal working load in the case of the windlass with the catastrophic failure load of the Harken winch. Obviously, if the windlass can pull 1400 lbs, they don't expect it to fail at that load... far from it. But the Harken, should you exceed the MAXIMUM working load of 1213 lbs, is expected to rip from the deck or otherwise be destroyed.

When the rode is vertical, scope is 0, and anchor holding power is nil.

Again, your lack of actual experience is showing! When an anchor is deeply buried, as will happen in strong wind conditions, it can be nearly impossible to break out, even with a vertical pull. Fortress often quotes an incident where a USCG cutter had to abandon one of their products because they could not get it out of the sea bed, even with their very powerful hydraulic winches, pulling straight up.

Kiss, you seem unwilling to consider any advice that goes contrary to your preconceived notions. That is your prerogative. Have a great cruise if you ever get a boat and cast off the dock lines.

Jim

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by KISS

You mean tied to a buoy above the anchor (as hanami suggested), or tied to the bow as in the OP, or something else?



Though I might a apply a little wit from time to time to make a point, in general, I'm not joking.

I believe I have seen it said buoy or maybe a float to keep it from fouling on the rode. At any rate, being able to pull it to raise the anchor ass end first and get the flukes out. Only wish I had that one time. Think I caught a cable. Cost me an anchor and some rode.

Are you serious about hauling chain by hand?

[Coxswain]

Hahaha, yes... Best way for him to learn now is actually try it.... Good luck! See you at the chandlery buying the winch within 24 hour...


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[Cadence]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I am light...

what's your problem.. wanna step out for a dance hunny

Hell, I'm to ugly and old, 5yrs. on you, I doubt you want to dance with me.

We would probably both enjoy dancing with the biologist looking for a berth. In our dreams.

[KISS]

Originally Posted by Cadence

I believe I have seen it said buoy or maybe a float to keep it from fouling on the rode.

gotcha

At any rate, being able to pull it to raise the anchor ass end first and get the flukes out.

Wait, you mean fix the line to the fluke end of the anchor? I imagine that would greatly ease breaking out the anchor...but it would retard it's ability yo set in the first place, no? I must be missing something here...

Are you serious about hauling chain by hand?

Yissir

[KISS]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Hmmm... you seem to be comparing a normal working load in the case of the windlass with the catastrophic failure load of the Harken winch. Obviously, if the windlass can pull 1400 lbs, they don't expect it to fail at that load... far from it. But the Harken, should you exceed the MAXIMUM working load of 1213 lbs, is expected to rip from the deck or otherwise be destroyed.

Maximum Working Load and Working Load Limit are synonyms. They each mean the load above which the gear is likely to sustain damage, and eventually fail - not the load at which the gear will fail catastrophically.

Again, your lack of actual experience is showing! When an anchor is deeply buried, as will happen in strong wind conditions, it can be nearly impossible to break out, even with a vertical pull. Fortress often quotes an incident where a USCG cutter had to abandon one of their products because they could not get it out of the sea bed, even with their very powerful hydraulic winches, pulling straight up.

If an anchor is deeply buried, sure. Then everyone, including evidently the USCG, is going to have trouble. In any case, I will be better positioned with a winch to break my anchor out than you will be with your windlass.

At a 16:1 MA, the little winch (and mind you, I could get a larger one), I could put, say, 100lbs force on the lever arm, and pull at 1600lbs force. You're windlass can pull,, what, 1500lbs? And, of course, with its much higher WLL, mine will be more likely to survive such abuse than yours.

[avb3]

Thread closed. If anyone wants to learn from it, there is a lot of good information from some very knowledgeable and experienced sailors here.