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Old 08-05-2013, 12:37   #226
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Re: A Plea For Decent Anchor Lights.

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Maybe up-tight, but not a prick.
I do hope everyone took my comment with humor.
For the dim-witted you should always insert lots of smiley faces to indicate humor. Otherwise, like me, your humor may be missed and generate complaints.

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Lighting up your boat at anchor is important, I'm surprised nobody has taken up my suggestion of lighting the hull from below.
Or like a car, having a remote that flashes a light or two to ID your boat
seems an easy thing to do (blue light I guess, no conflict there)
From below like those underwater, thru the hull lights? Expensive and you have to cut holes in the boat.

I like the remote. Coming back to the anchorage late could be handy, but I don't know about blue. For those who stayed a little too long at happy hour and might be a little impaired the sight of a blue light might cause them to go the other way.

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And since I'll be selling ICE from the boat, need to advertise "ICE on Sale"
Are you sure you want to advertise this on a public forum?

Urban slang, ICE = methamphetamine.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:52   #227
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No worries. Paint it black and run it up to the first spreader.
For all the world to see? Don't know if I could bare it (get it bear it/bare it.).

OK, I must be getting a little dizzy. Time to quit work for the day.
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Have to agree. I think the main benefit for hanging an anchor ball is just CYA for various possibilities like insurance, .............
What would an anchor ball have to do with insurance?
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What would an anchor ball have to do with insurance?
Well, it has been stated by some on this forum that failure to comply with regulations might have some effect on coverage or payment in case of an accident.

So, other reasons aside, I would CMA by using proper day signals like an anchor ball, just in case. It would be cheap "insurance".
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Well, it has been stated by some on this forum that failure to comply with regulations might have some effect on coverage or payment in case of an accident..
They are incorrect. Insurance companies cannot get out of paying claims because someone broke the law. If they did, they would seldom have to pay.

Run a stop sign in your car and someone hits you? You are covered.
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They are incorrect. Insurance companies cannot get out of paying claims because someone broke the law. If they did, they would seldom have to pay.

Run a stop sign in your car and someone hits you? You are covered.
You are comparing apples to baby grand pianos here. For example, hereabouts, if you have an accident in an unregistered car, your insurance cover is most likely void. But my point is that insurance is complicated and citing a single example of insurance process for automobiles in a particular area / country does not mean that the same process will apply for sailing boats in a different country / area.

The case that Jim Cate cited, by my understanding, was a boat at anchor (on a clear day with no impediments to vision) being hit by another vessel (who was not keeping an appropriate look out or not in control of their vessel) but who's insurance company tried to get out of paying for the damage to the anchored vessel because that vessel was not displaying the appropriate day-shape. I don't actually know who won the court case (maybe Jim can fill us in?) but certainly the Insurance company of the other boat tried, in court, to use it to avoid paying for damage to the boat at anchor.
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Maybe up-tight, but not a prick.
I do hope everyone took my comment with humor.

Lighting up your boat at anchor is important, I'm surprised nobody has taken up my suggestion of lighting the hull from below.
Or like a car, having a remote that flashes a light or two to ID your boat
seems an easy thing to do (blue light I guess, no conflict there)

I am thinking of having a running led billboard that goes around the cabin 360-degrees displaying messages, like at basketball stadiums.
"Boat at Anchor" in different languages. "Leave Me Alone I'm Eating",
"Free Beer on Tuesday", wind speed, date and time and temp, etc.

And since I'll be selling ICE from the boat, need to advertise "ICE on Sale"

Do you think this is illegal and not COLREG approved, there may be white lights that turn on/off.
With underwater lights you are talking serious money apart from the fact most here would consider them pretensious.

They are actually great idea if you do much night diving from vessel as is possible on GBR and Coral Sea.
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But if our friends who were run down by a fishing vessel whilst anchored off Scarborough Qld had been flying one, their days in court trying to get compensation would have been a bit less traumatic.
So it's legal to run down a boat at anchor during the day that is not flying the black ball? Good to know.
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So it's legal to run down a boat at anchor during the day that is not flying the black ball? Good to know.
How were you to know he was at anchor? He is clearly at fault.
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How were you to know he was at anchor? He is clearly at fault.

stupid power boaters being anchored in my way when I sail though the anchorage, don't they know they are suppose to stay out on my way
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You are comparing apples to baby grand pianos here. ............
Nope, I am not.

Why don't you go ahead a d photocopy the exclusion section of a policy and post it here? Otherwise, it's just hearsay.
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Has anyone else noticed that on CF we all seem to need at least one active thread to argue over - subject irrelevant...........
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Has anyone else noticed that on CF we all seem to need at least one active thread to argue over - subject irrelevant...........
Captain Obvious reporting in.
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Re: A Plea For Decent Anchor Lights.

I know that it's nice to be good and legal but anchor balls and motor sailing cones look like a right royal PITA.

They're another piece of junk that has to be stored and maintained, one has to remember to put them up when the time and energy involved could be much better used in other boat tasks, and if one were to inadvertently forget to take them down then one would most certainly be at fault in any accident.

They made a more sense when crew were plentiful and cheap, a junior officer could be given the task and running an extra halyard was not a problem.

Logically speaking the only value that I can see of having an anchor ball would be to notify nearby boats that one is about to get underway by taking it down.

The inverted cone makes more sense but, from my perspective, the risks of flying one, forgetting it's up, turning off the engine and then expecting right of way greatly outweigh any benefit. On Sydney Harbour I quickly learned to look for the stream of cooling water to tell me if a boat was motor sailing.

If one of them became necessary due to local enforcement then five minutes spent cutting up an old cardboard box would solve the problem.

Lawyers will always find many reasons to earn their fees. If one could legally place the balls and cones in an appropriate place I'd support that!
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Criminal negligence clause in some policy's. very different then inadvertent missed a traffic sign. Means if your criminally negligent your liable.
If you hit me broad day light while I'm neither motoring nor sailing and I'm dealing with an engine fire I'm disabled. Means I might not have posted flags or any thing else you still need to try to not hit me. If your restricted in visibility you need to navigate in a prudent way that avoids collision.
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