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Old 25-12-2019, 21:10   #1
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TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

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i am considering making my own Vane Steering System for my stern hung rudder on a Miller & Whitworth 32FT Sloop.
There is plenty of details and data for vessels with wheel and under hull rudders but none I can find for vessels with stern hung rudder, tiller steering. Any information regarding this will be appreciated. Thank you
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Old 25-12-2019, 22:48   #2
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Re: TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

Easiest sort of boat to convert to windvane steering.

Just put a trim tab on the trailing edge of the rudder and control it with a horizontal axis wind vane.
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Re: TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

This is my aux rudder with trim tab but the principle is the same.

Lots of info on mine has been posted here on CF over the years... seek and ye shall find....
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Old 25-12-2019, 23:28   #5
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Not sure what number video, but “Sailing waverover” on YouTube has a pretty good clip on how to make one.
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Frank ,

would you be willing to document ( photo's ) en post this enterprise ?
For sure an added value to the list of possibilities .

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Re: TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

The Youtubes are here
not sure which one of the series documents his design...

His is horizontal axis ...mine is vertical.... his is probably more relevant for the OP.

I have seen remote vanes on centre cockpit boats with davits... anything is possible..

A major issue is damping... same same when steering by hand ... no more than a few degrees of helm should be required.
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Re: TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

Welcome aboard CF, Rick.

I found Bill Belcher's book Wind-Vane Self Steering extremely helpful when I made one about 10+ years back
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Re: TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

And there's the fine Freehand Steering System, designed by Larry Pardey and manufactured by Mike Anderson of Anderson Boat Works: Freehand Steering System - AndersonBoatworks
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Also try John Letcher's "Self Steering for Sailing Craft," Which I found more useful than Belcher. I should warn you that doing your calculations most carefully is paramount: It is really easy to get your trip tab too big and powerful, like I did, and mess up the whole system. All the parts worked well, but in heavy following seas, the trim tab strut, which happened to be too long, would vibrate abominably. I wish I had simply added a tab to the rudder rather than hanging one further astern. Letcher describes the pitfalls of this, and I didn't listen.
I wound up eventually buying a used Sailomat servo-pendulum, which has the advantage of being able to pull everything out of the water when not in use, so there's less hamper.
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Frank ,

would you be willing to document ( photo's ) en post this enterprise ?
For sure an added value to the list of possibilities .

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My apologies , this post is intended to the TS/OP ...rickpyne , not to Frank .
I don't seem to be able to edit my first respons anymore .

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Dear Members
i am considering making my own Vane Steering System for my stern hung rudder on a Miller & Whitworth 32FT Sloop.
There is plenty of details and data for vessels with wheel and under hull rudders but none I can find for vessels with stern hung rudder, tiller steering. Any information regarding this will be appreciated. Thank you
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Having a stern hung rudder is no different. Go straight to a servo assist self steering gear and mount it just clear of your rudder blade. I have an Aries now I bought second hand and that will suit the MW32 well.
If you want to build your own then I would suggest something like my previous gear I built in stainless steel. It's similar to a monitor with a few good ideas stolen from aries and flemings.

Another way is to build a USD windvane, this was designed a few years ago by Jan Alkema specifically for stern hung rudders. Plenty of youtube videos about it.
https://www.ayrs.org/catalyst/Catalyst_N23_Jan_2006.pdf
Another choice is to search through some of Walt Murrays designs and try them. They use the Z crank instead of bevel gears and take some effort to tune properly but it's a cheap alternative. I used one on my old MW26 years ago. This is the same gear on my Currawong.

Apologies for the degraded qualitity of that video.
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Re: TRANSON HUNG RUDDER SELF STEERING

I have a special reverse-hand Hydrovane that drives a trim tab. Trim tabs are very powerful, and don't require control lines to the tiller in the cockpit. But I question building one's own if one can be bought at a reasonable price. Take a look here: https://windyselfsteering.com/selfsteering/ ; for 1200 EUR it would be hard to justify making one's own.

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