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Old 30-12-2018, 08:12   #91
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Re: Small petrol outboard vs Torqeedo cruise 2 with honda generator

I'm a tree hugger myself, and with all that sarcastic "sustainability"

I want to point out continuing to use 30-yo gear is very green.

Electric is only green if the source is.

Buying new stuff rarely is unless the annual difference is worth it.

Fashion / status symbolism plays too big a role with many unfortunately
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Re: Small petrol outboard vs Torqeedo cruise 2 with honda generator

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If I didnít want gas for whatever reason, I think Iíd go with a dink that rowed well over electric at this point.
Now just from watching others, but it seems that the ones that row well, donít give up anything to a Torquedo, they do just as well in higher wind and seas.
That's a good point, but RIBs don't row worth anything, and I wouldn't have anything else for a tender.
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I'm a tree hugger myself, and with all that sarcastic "sustainability"

I want to point out continuing to use 30-yo gear is very green.

Electric is only green if the source is.

Buying new stuff rarely is unless the annual difference is worth it.

Fashion / status symbolism plays too big a role with many unfortunately
Who's being sarcastic?
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I'm a tree hugger myself, and with all that sarcastic "sustainability"

I want to point out continuing to use 30-yo gear is very green.

Electric is only green if the source is.

Buying new stuff rarely is unless the annual difference is worth it.

Fashion / status symbolism plays too big a role with many unfortunately
Good point.
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That's a good point, but RIBs don't row worth anything, and I wouldn't have anything else for a tender.


No, RIBís row horribly, or mine does anyway, having oars in one is almost silly.
So bad in fact it seems mine rows best going backwards, crazy as
that sounds.
When I dropped my motor overboard, I had to row about a half mile, if there had been any adverse wind, Iíd never have made it, and as it was it was way more than I wanted.
So if you were to row, that means a good rowing dinghy, and if you have room to stow the ďStuffĒ Iíd want a mast and a sail.
Just from observation, it seems the guys that row and especially that have sailing dinghies, donít give up anything compared to a RIB with a small motor that canít plane, the sailing ones seem to be faster.
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Small petrol outboard vs Torqeedo cruise 2 with honda generator

As far as buying something new and efficient as opposed to keeping an old less efficient thing going from a green perspective, that is a tough call.
It depends on usage, if you plan on putting a quarter of a million miles on a vehicle as an example, buying a newer more efficient vehicle is greener.
However if your going to lease or buy new every couple of years, keeping an old vehicle going is greener.
A lot of people years ago bought a Prius so they could feel smug and sold it in a year or two, just as Iím sure many do with a Tesla now.
If you want to be green, you buy those vehicles used and drive them for a decade or more.
Same for a boat. If you really want to be green, buy an old classic, refurb it and cruise, you would be ďgreenerĒ than buying a new all electric boat.
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No, RIB’s row horribly, or mine does anyway, having oars in one is almost silly.
So bad in fact it seems mine rows best going backwards, crazy as
that sounds.
When I dropped my motor overboard, I had to row about a half mile, if there had been any adverse wind, I’d never have made it, and as it was it was way more than I wanted.
So if you were to row, that means a good rowing dinghy, and if you have room to stow the “Stuff” I’d want a mast and a sail.
Just from observation, it seems the guys that row and especially that have sailing dinghies, don’t give up anything compared to a RIB with a small motor that can’t plane, the sailing ones seem to be faster.
I've never thought of this but rowing a RIB backwards is a brilliant idea! That way you're not dragging a bunch of water behind you. Now that I think about it it's not surprising that it works better than rowing one forwards.
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Re: Small petrol outboard vs Torqeedo cruise 2 with honda generator

Rowing backwards, pushing the blunt end into the water just sounds wrong.
On mine, it seemed to work better because it was more stable direction wise.
Now Iím not one with a whole lot of rowing experience, but neither of my RIBs rowed well at all. Maybe it was the short oars, or being so wide beam wise I donít know, but they are horrible
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