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Old 11-02-2021, 13:05   #1
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Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

Recently I began the process of repairing the rub rail on my 9’6” Achilles inflatable which had come unattached. I meticulously removed the old adhesive first by scrapping then by light sanding both rail and hull. I then cleaned the contact area with acetone. When I was satisfied it was clean, I applied two coats of two-part adhesive, waiting the specified intervals between. I then re-attached the rail and clamped it for 24 hrs. At first it seemed it all went well.The other day I noticed a couple sections starting to lift up.
Since the whole process took several days start to finish, I’m not eager for a do-over. But if I must, I must.
Two part adhesive is not cheap, and as of now I am not impressed with it.
Just this morning I glued the sole of a tennis shoe back on. I get to thinking (danger Will Robinson): would this Shoe Goo work on a dinghy?
A pair of shoes is flexing constantly. Indoors, outdoors, wet, dry, I have repaired shoes I wear daily hold up for years.
Anybody out there try this?
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

Shoe Goo is composed of:
Styrene-butadiene, a synthetic rubber with good abrasion resistance
Toluene or tetrachloroethylene solvent
Solvent naphtha, a cleaning/degreasing solvent
http://eclecticproducts.com/download...ck-english.pdf

Shoe Goo is NOT recommended for use on polystyrene, polyethylene, polypropylene, Styrofoam™ or paper products
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

There is also E6000, a kind of super shoo goo. I have been using it for barious repairs and it seems to get the job done well. It is also very flexible when cured.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

Just a thought but how bout 3M 5200?
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

Need to know what material is your achillies inflatable & what material your rubrail is first.
It can be a real Pita gluing 2 different materials as you have just found out.
Sometimes you need to apply a glue that will stick to your rubrail on the rubrail & let it get tacky & apply another glue that will stick to the dinghy material be it PVC or Hypalon.
I went to a place called the glue guru & he threw his hands in the air not wanting to make a recommendation, clearly he'd been burnt on sticking accessories to PVC dinghy material in our case. Accessory was ABS IIRC
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

I would contact the manufacturer.
They have repair kits listed for the inflatable fabric parts.

I'm sure a polite question to their service dept. would get a reply.
https://achillesboats.com/contact-us/

Using the wrong adhesive on an unknown surface is not a good idea.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

The two part cement is, to my opinion the best for Hypalon (most Achilles are Hypalon), but quite messy to work with and indeed expensive. I think the dislocation of the rub rail is a result of insufficient pressure keeping of the rub rail to the tube after the gluing. The problem is that the two part cement cure very fast and if the two objects are not tightly and evenly pressed and held against each other for 12-24 hours, it may cure apart.

In the past have tried different glues, HH-66 was ok but not as strong as the two part. Gear-Aid Aquaseal is a two part glue that worked well in sealing small holes and cracks but again, not as strong as the original Hypalon two part special contact cement.
5200 was not good for that - as strong as it is, it was not sticky enough to bond to the hypalon
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

The fabric in my Achilles is Hypalon, Dupont’s brand name for hydrosulphanated polyethylene. GordMay, sounds like Shoo Goo won’t like it. So, would you expect adverse ( thinning or softening, for example) from any of the other suggestions?
I have been very pleased with Achilles. I bought my first one used (5 years old) and cruised with it for about 18 years. I think the guy I gave it to still has it.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

Shoe Goo is my liquid duct tape.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

Shoe goo is amazing. Not sure if it will attack your Hypalon or not though. Got any sample pieces to test on? A lot of times the "incompatible period" for these things is just during the drying cycle. Once the solvents outgas no problem. But I would take care figuring it out.
5200 will get dry and crumbly over time in the sun.

IIRC my old Achilles repair instructions said you have to clamp the repair after gluing.... which of course is very hard or impossible to do sometimes!
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

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I would contact the manufacturer.
They have repair kits listed for the inflatable fabric parts.

I'm sure a polite question to their service dept. would get a reply.
https://achillesboats.com/contact-us/

Using the wrong adhesive on an unknown surface is not a good idea.
My vote would be to follow Earl’s suggestion. My dink is not an Achilles so I would not contact them. I’ve a Newport and therefore will be in contact with them when it comes time for repairs. Common sense to me.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

FinalFix. Much easier than the two-part (I’ve used both) and better results for me, thus far.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

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Just a thought but how bout 3M 5200?
Do not use 5300 !
Awaste of money !
It will not stay no matter how you prepare on avon or achilles.
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Re: Shoe Goo for dinghy repair?

If you want something that works and is not gonna break the bank,
Invest in product called HH-66.
I used it to do exactly what you’re trying to do..
Clean with xylol. Brush on both surfaces with brush on can lid. Giveit a minute or two to skin and place rail correctly because youwill not remove it.
Ive used it on patching work jeans , jacket cuffs, auto parts on car bumpers, interior trim.
https://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-8oz
Available in larger quantities
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